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Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« on: Saturday 30 August 08 05:17 BST (UK) »



I would appreciate any information relating to the following Middleditch family.

For example, as the Head of the family was born in 1861 were they listed in earlier Canadian Censuses than the 1901 and 1911 censuses below?


1901 Census of Canada
Ontario - Essex South 60
Subdistrict - Amherstburg

Middleditch Joseph Head Jun 4 1861 39
Middleditch Alice Wife Jan 2 1866 34
Middleditch Minnie L. Daughter Aug 22 1885 15
Middleditch Mabel E. Daughter Sep 13 1887 13
Middleditch John   Son Aug 9 1890 10
Middleditch Charlie G. Son Jan 7 1893 8
Middleditch Harry Son May 24 1896 4



1911 Census of Canada
Ontario - Essex South
Enumeration District 45
Sub District Amherstburg

Middleditch Joseph Head Jun 1860 50
Middleditch Alice Wife Jan 1864 43
Middleditch Mabel E. Daughter Sep 1887 23
Middleditch John E. Son Aug 1870   20
Middleditch Charles G. Son Jan 1893 18
Middleditch Harry J. Son May 1896 15

Thank you in advance
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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 August 08 11:41 BST (UK) »
Hi,

1891 Canada Census

Elgin West, Subdistrict  Howard

Jos Middleditch, Head, 31, birthplace England
Alice Middleditch, Wife, 25, birthplace England
Minne Middleditch, daughter 5, birthplace Ontario
Mabel Middleditch, daughter 3, birthplace Ontario
John Middleditch, son 9/12, birthplace Ontario

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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS

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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 August 08 11:50 BST (UK) »
Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Joseph Middleditch, 23, b. Suffolk, England
  Parents  Joseph Middleditch, Hannah Middleditch

Alice Baxter, 17, b. Suffolk, England
  Parents  James Baxter, Mary Ann Baxter

Marriage date  25 Dec 1884, Ridgetown, Ontario

Witnesses  Thos J. Ipe(?) and Eliza Middleditch, both of Charing Cross


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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS

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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 August 08 11:53 BST (UK) »
Ontario, Canada Deaths 1869-1934

Joseph Middleditch died June 13, 1929, Amherstburg, Essex, Ontario. 

Age 69 years, 9 days, born England June 4, 1860

Retired R.R. Section Foreman

Parents  Joseph Middleditch, b. England 
              Hannah Lewis, b. Suffolk, England

Informant John Middleditch, son


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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS


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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 August 08 18:31 BST (UK) »
Kathleen I cannot thank you enough for not only the details but also your quick response.

It has opened up a whole new avenue of research now that I know the specifics of Joseph’s birth date in England.

At the risk of abusing your generosity might you be able to help with the questions below . . .

. . . but first some background so that you may appreciate my interest . . . the son Charles Gage Middleditch born 1893 married in Ontario (it is thought) Cecile Perchival who had been born in France. . . . They had a daughter Marcelle Lisett Middleditch born February 1920 (presumably in Amertsberg, Ontario). The family left Canada for France when (it is thought) Marcelle was a baby (perhaps 2-4 years old). Marcelle would later meet her future husband in Arras France in 1946 when he was stationed there with the Royal Air Force. They would move to England where they had a daughter and later still the three of them emigrated to Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). . . so you can see it is an interesting mix of people and places and the journeys each took that created this Middleditch lineage.

My questions are:
1. Can you find a marriage for Charles Gage Middleditch?
2. If so, does the information give details of the wife, e.g., parents, place of birth?
3.  I do not think (but do not know for certain) that they had another child while in Canada.
4. Any Canadian Emigration records available re them leaving Canada?

My thanks once again
Bryan
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Spice, Groves, Ellis, Odiam, Hicks in Hawkhurst, Kent
Spice, Standen, Hudson, Hesmond in Hastings/ St. Leonards, Sussex
Blackburn, Palmer, Russell in Bolton, Lancashire

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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 August 08 19:41 BST (UK) »
Hello Bryan,

You're very welcome.  That's an amazing story that you have there.   I'll take a look and get back to you.

Kathleen
England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS

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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 August 08 21:38 BST (UK) »
http://www.geopatronyme.com/ shows only one Middleditch born in France between 1891 and 1990. This person was born somewhere between 1916 and 1940 in Maroeuil, Pas de Calais, France. (very close to Arras). This could be a child of Charles Gage Middleditch?

Charles and brother Harry James's WWI attestation papers are at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

www.ellisisland.com shows a couple of hits for Charles (G) Middleditch, resident of Maroeuil.  In 1919 he appears to be entering NY with his wife, Cecile Alex. Middleditch. He returns in 1922 - gives his father in law as Mr A. Percheval, at Marocuil (sic), P.d.C., France.

In the 1919 the Ellis Island link to the manifest is broken; you can find the original manifest at www.stevemorse.org. They are at Series T715, Roll 2675, Frame 645.
Charles G. Middleditch, 27, marine rock driller, Canadian/French, last residence Maroeuil
wife Cecilie Alex. Middleditch, 22, housewife, last residence ditto.
Relative Alfred Percival, Maroeuil.
They were headed to Amherstburg. Charles, at least, had previously been in the US, in Detroit in 1912. He is listed as b. Ridgetown and she was b. Maroeuil.

Interestingly if you go to http://www.geopatronyme.com/ and put in Percheval you do find one hit in Maroeuil between 1891-1915.

http://www.planete-genealogie.fr/berrannice/veninpagnier/fiche/individu/?IndiID=123
 - this is also very interesting. This would seem likely to be your Cecile's family but they list her with a different husband. They don't say when the marriage took place and one child is given a DOB of 1927 - so might she have remarried? Does this ring any bells?

Charles Gage Middleditch's full army records (available from Canadian Archives once you've found his attestation papers online) might give some interesting information.
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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 August 08 22:13 BST (UK) »
Aha, Jorose,

Opened the thread to post pretty much what you have and
saw that you had posted.  Speedy!!

Also: 

Drouin Collection -- Marcelle Catherine Middleditch b. Feb 5, 1920, Baptism Feb 15, 1920.  Parents Charles G. Middleditch and Cecile Perchivel (sp?)

Patrons (not clear) but probably Cap. Jos. T. McCarthy and wife, for Cecile Burns

Religion Catholic        Place Amherstburg


Kathleen
England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS

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Re: Middleditch Family pre 1901 Census Listings
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 August 08 22:25 BST (UK) »
Detroit Border Crossing Jan 4, 1911

His last permanent address is given as Detroit, Michigan
1909 to Dec 24, 1910

Destination:  Sister, Minnie Gillean, 64 Indamere (?) Ave., Detroit

His description, as a matter of interest to you:

5' 8 1/4" Fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes.


Kathleen
England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM,  OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES

Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE

Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS