Author Topic: John Miller Born 1830  (Read 1585 times)

Offline liz hutchison

  • I am sorry but my email address is no longer working
  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
John Miller Born 1830
« on: Friday 29 August 08 06:56 BST (UK) »
Hi could anyone tell me who John Millers Mother is, this is what I have found, John Miller Born 1830, Lambeth, Father John Miller Born 1791 birth place unknown
But in Middlesex.John Miller who is born in 1830 goes on to marry a Rosina Lyons in 1852 and she dies in or about 1885, then he marries again to a Elizabeth last name unknown but she was born in 1840, Holborn, thats all I have can anyone find this info for me Please.Liz

Offline Valda

  • Moderator
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 16,160
    • View Profile
Re: John Miller Born 1830
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 August 08 08:01 BST (UK) »
So this man?

1861 census RG9 357 folio 43
2 Ashmole Place Lambeth
John Miller 31 Head Married Chimney Sweep Lambeth Surrey
Rosina Miller 27 Wife Married Lambeth Surrey

1871 census RG 1341 folio 159
Brook Cottages Edmonton
John Miller 42 Head Married Chimney sweep Lambeth
Rose Miller 37 Wife Married Lambeth
Arthur Miller 7 Son Clapham Surrey
Walter Miller 4 Son Edmonton Middlesex
Amy Miller 2 Daughter Edmonton Middlesex

Have you confirmed his father's name was John from either of his marriages?

Are you basing the information about his father on the 1841 census? The ages don't actually fit for John from the 1841 census. Charles' age is consistent.

1841 census HO107 1057/7 folio 48
Gloucester Street Lambeth
John Miller 50 Sweep
John Miller 20
Charles Miller 12
all born Surrey

adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.

1861 census RG9 359 folio 32
3 Southville Lambeth
Charles Miller 32 Head Married Chimney Sweep Lambeth
Elizabeth Miller 33 Wide Married Weymouth Dorset
George Galley Miller 3 Son Lambeth Surrey

possible marriage

Marriages Dec 1857 
Miller  Charles    Lambeth  1d 433     
Williams  Elizabeth     Lambeth  1d 433

Charles is on the 1851 census at HO107 1575 folio 438 a visitor with the Hectors.

Regards

Valda
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline liz hutchison

  • I am sorry but my email address is no longer working
  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Miller Born 1830
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 August 08 08:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for that, yes John was a Chimney Sweep or Sweep and the children match and the second Marriage to Elizabeth. thats great info.Liz :) :)

Offline Valda

  • Moderator
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 16,160
    • View Profile
Re: John Miller Born 1830
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 August 08 05:09 BST (UK) »
Quote
Have you confirmed his father's name was John from either of his marriages?

Are you basing the information about his father on the 1841 census? The ages don't actually fit for John from the 1841 census.

On the 1841 census that John Miller junior's age is given as at least 20 (
Quote
adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census
) therefore birth year of circa 1821. The John Miller you are interested in, shown from the 1861 census onwards, was aged in 1861, 31, birth year circa 1830, from 1871 onwards in Edmonton, 1871 aged 42, birth year circa 1829, 1881 RG11 1390 folio 4 aged 50, birth year circa 1831, 1891 RG12 1082 folio 155 aged 59, widower born Kennington, birth year circa 1832, 1901 RG13 1263 folio 125 aged 69 birth year circa 1832. So very consistent about his age.

I haven't given any information on John's second marriage. He was married to Elizabeth on the 1901 census, so a marriage sometime between 1891 and 1901.

The 1861 census entry I've given for Charles Miller in Lambeth, chimney sweep, does fit the age of the Charles given on the 1841 census entry, aged 12 birth year circa 1829. 1851 census HO107 1575 folio 438 aged 21 birth year circa 1830, 1861 census aged 32, birth year circa 1829, 1871 RG10 675 folio 10 aged 42 birth year circa 1829. All Lambeth and a sweep. By 1881 Elizabeth was a widow RG11 606 folio 11.

Lambeth was south of the River Thames so Surrey not Middlesex.

Regards

Valda
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Offline EnglishButtercup

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 2
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Miller Born 1830
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 September 08 03:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz,
 I think we are tracing the same line and that we have chatted before. Since our last contact I have received the marriage certificate for John Miller and Rosina Lyons. They married 28 Nov 1852 in St George the Martyr Church, Southwark Surrey.

John Miller - 21yrs - bachelor - sweep - of Gibralter Row - father Charles Miller - Shoemaker
Rosina Lyons - 19 years - spinster - of Gibralter Row, father William Lyons - Shoemaker.

I can find them all in the 1861 - 1901 census however I cannot match their names, ages and occucaption unless they changed. I have searched 1841 census and 1851 census but have hit a brick wall. Hope this helps confirm the father's name for you.

Best Regards

Melanie

Offline liz hutchison

  • I am sorry but my email address is no longer working
  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Miller Born 1830
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 November 08 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cousin Mel, yes we are looking for the same family, can you email me a copy would love to have them. Liz Hutchison Australia ;D ;D