Murphy: Mary Ann

[Twiglets]

It's difficult for you, because you're allowing it to be, i gave you all that i know about my Murphy's, but to make thing's much easier for you, will the information on when Mary ann Married help.

[heywood]

Twiglets - you are kindness itself trying to make our difficult lives easier but no thanks  we have it. 

As I said previously , that information is on Family Search IGI - easily available online

Realistically it is the information on the certificate that is needed 

Rest assured-  there is no difficulty for us on Rootschat - many of us have access to the census records which we are more than willing to search through to help people such as yourself - of course - you know that from the hours of work which has already been done for you. 

good luck 
heywood

[suzard]

Twiglets,
We are not allowing it to be difficult -you are making it difficult for us.

I have found a couple of mary Ann Murphys father William.

But you did not give us all the information you had -or should have had from sources which are freely available online.

I wanted to make it as certain as I could that I had found the correct mary Ann Murphy -that s why I asked questions

If you had looked at the marriage reg on FreeBMD you would have noticed she married just using the name Mary -no middle name

The extracted marriage record on the IGI gives her name as Mary -no middle name

After she married on the 1881 census -which you could have checked freely on family search she is listed as mary -no middle name

On 1891 census she is listed as mary -no middle name.

If you had checked these things you would have been able to post details that she was just mary on the census -marriage reg . Then we would have known we were looking for a mary or mary Ann with father William. These little things make a difference when you are trying to find a person.

I queried whether you were certain of her d.o.b., as her d.o.b. differs by quite a few years on the 1881 census and the 1891 census. Also there is no birth reg during the quarter you would expect her birth to be registered .

I am only trying (freely and willingly) to help you find the correct mary, and have spent some time looking for a near "match" to the information you had given. It is all too easy to follow an incorrect line.

I was asking how certain you were of your information - wondering where you had the information from. Your dates were so precise that I (quite wrongly) assumed you had a marriage certificate and possibly a birth certificate.

I was quite upset at the answers you gave to my queries - you must admit on reflection they were rather silly answers-which gave virtually no further information.
"How are you certain her name was mary Ann?"
reply -because that's the name she was born with
None of us are born with a name - we are baptised and given a name  -a birth is registered in a name - both documentation which proves the full name.  You should have said birth reg mary Ann - but known as Mary on marriage cert and census.
How are you certain her father's name is William
Reply - "because of the reason I just mentioned"
What does this mean?
Because it's the name he was born with???
Does this mean that every mary Ann Murphy has a father called William ?? You must agree there is no logic in that.
Another reply you gave was "because she's my Gr gr gr grandmother " -So am I to assume all of your Gr gr gr grandmothers are called mary Ann Murphy??? No logic again
"The information was down in some documented notes my grandma gave me"
Were these just notes made by your grandma as she researched the family,? Are they names which were in a family bible? Are they from marriage or birth certs??

We are trying our best to help you with your research -and would have hoped you were working with us .

However you just seem to be making facetious replies -and I really think it is you making things difficult - rather than us allowing it to be.

I hope you have luck finding mary (or mary Ann) Murphy and I also hope you realise we are trying to help YOU -  I'm sorry but I have spent far too much time on trying to help you . I hope some other RootsChatter manages to get sensible helpful answers to their queries and you find more information

Good luck

Suz

[Twiglets]

This is all the information that i know and have, i can't help you any further, sorry.

Mary Ann Murphy (B) 23 October 1853 in Manchester, England,

Married William Frederick Heller, 22 August 1877 in St Andrew Ancoats, Manchester, Lancashire, England

[suzard]

Twiglets,

You have NOT given us all the information you have

WHERE did you get the information from???

I know you say documented notes from your grandmother - but WHAT exactly do you mean by "documented notes"??

As we can find no birth reg, no baptism -a marriage in the name of Mary

Yet you state "mary Ann Murphy married william frederick Heller" -what kind of document states this???

also, although you are unsure, you think mary's mothers maiden name was " Casheune" I cannot find anyone with this surname.
Where did you get this name from???

Come on - take another look at whatever documentation you have

We are trying to help you - do you understand how to check information ? Have you tried checking information?

Unless you answer our queries we cannot be certain which mary is most likely to be the correct one???

Suz




Where did your gran have this information from?

[Twiglets]

This conversation is over, i will not be questioned about where i got my own family tree information from, i will kindly take my querie's elsewhere, or just be stuck on what i have provided you with, until get in touch with a cousin.

[Twiglets]

How can i possibly give you information, when i don't know very much,

please stop stating that what i have given you, isn't good enough, because it's all i have.