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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 23:41 BST (UK) »
Another emotional rollercoaster ride tonight which I thought I was ready for after seeing David Baddiel's heartbreaking journey to Europe.  What I wasn't expecting were the several flights to safety through Europe of the Springer family as we were taken farther back to the anti semetic movement of the 1880's.

Thank goodness the producers gave us a heart warming emotion at the end otherwise I'd still be numb with shock.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 August 08 00:15 BST (UK) »
only saw parts of it, but had "dusty eyes" - it just shows how quickly we can be unrooted and not know- I'm sure Jerry springer knew of the holocaust at least in general but to be able to personalize it gives it a different feeling - don't know who the woman was who showed him the  photos of  the manor house and the gas vans -but she certainly told the story with truth and with empathy for him.  I would  wonder that his parents may have known  but not wanted to know for sure. i know of a friend how didn't know her one grandmother had been in a concentration camp. it was never ever talked about.
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 August 08 00:43 BST (UK) »
Despite the low opinion I have of Jerry Springer's TV show, I thought he came over as intelligent with very human emotions.

The sheer number of victims of the Holocaust can make it difficult to comprehend, but the personal histories of people who suffered bring home how terrible it was.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 August 08 01:44 BST (UK) »
Of course Jerry would have little concept of the horrors of the extermination of the millions.He was born in the middle of WW2!! and then was taken to the US.

Both OH and myself were in our "teens" during that period and only saw the b/w cinema news reels showing the liberation of the Concentration Camps and not until the Nuremberg Trials (1945/1949) did more horrific details emerge.
We were still mourning our own dead and trying to rebuild a country where food was still rationed and many areas were bomb sites.

In the 80's we visited our Daughter and SIL in Hildershein and she took us to the site of the most notorious camp..Bergen Belson. The whole area .had been razed and memorials had been erected...totally eerie and bleak but we were left with the impression that the attempt had been made to sanitize and wipe out any memory of the evils which had taken place there.(The first mass exterminations had started  there in 1933.the insane,any who were deemed unfit and intellectual opposition)

To OH and myself the most telling scene was Jerrys  visit to Lodz, walking down the railway platform and see the actual carriages ,still as they were.waiting for the next consignment,with  simple walls of the hands trying to claw their way out. Then to the camp site , cleared but untouched, just left desolate...far more telling than plaques.. But then the Poles suffered as many and more , terrible atrocities than other Europeans.

Sadly as much as we ask that anything comparable should never happen again.. it has and  is,daily, around the world.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 August 08 02:01 BST (UK) »
I agree it was very moving and had me 'removing dust from my eyes'.



Just visiting a monument to a Nazi extermination camp in Kiev (Babi Yar) made me feel physically sick,


This struck a chord with me. When my son, a British army seargent, was stationed in Germany at Bergen a couple of miles up the road from the Bergen-Belson camp, we went for a visit and I too felt sick at both the film footage and the life size photos of the heaps of hundreds of bodies, being shifted by a bull dozer.
In the museum there were things like a baby's shoe, locks of hair and false teeth, masses of photographs of unknown now dead people.  
In the camp arena outside you can hear no birds or insects and nothing grows on the perimeter, it is just grey dust. Everywhere is eerily silent, even though the camp was quite close to the main road, traffic could not be heard.
Apparently, there, the butcher and baker in Bergen made a stash of money from the Nazi's supplying rotten meat and stale bread to the camp. The film footage showed the Brits and American liberation soldiers lining up the townspeople including the Lord Mayor and making them look at the remains of the dead, when they denied knowledge of what was happening on their own doorstep in the camp. Of course we have to remember that though the vast majority of inmates were Jewish, there were also Gypsies, black people, communists, the mentally insane or feeble minded, disabled people, Polish people, Russian people and gay people, and not forgetting ordinary Germans who opposed Hitler.Worst of all little innocent children and babies. They all had their own special badge to wear so the guards knew instantly what they were.
I balled my eyes out whilst I was there and couldn't stop thinking about it for weeks. The film was recorded in several languages, shown at different times. I read recently that German school children have a compulsory visit to one of the camps as part of the curriculum so that such atrocities will never happen again. Thank goodness the main contenders, the camp commandant, known as the Beast of Belsen, and others, including several women, were were made to shift rotting dead bodies by hand. After a war crimes trial they were all hung.
Listening to 'Tracing Your Roots' yesterday on Radio Four, it was apparent that as early as 1937 the Jewish population, who were able, through money, were desperately fleeing Germany, mostly to the US but many did come to the UK, but they had to leave parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles behind.
If they, themselves knew then what was happening how come we in the UK didn't realise that there was a reason for this sudden influx of immigrants? It is a mystery to me how this country can say, despite the spy planes flying over Germany, they never knew about the camps until virtually the end of the war.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 August 08 02:39 BST (UK) »
Here's the BBC timeline for Hitler's rule - as it's in chronological order you are being deprived of hindsight.

However, there is no mention of the hardships ordinary people experienced which Hitler used in his campaign to oust the government and in his rhetoric he also maligned Jewish businessmen thus creating the racist division he sought. 
   
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/launch_tl_persecution_genocide.shtml

Don't forget at the time the Nazis were showing film of Jews being happily re-settled.  And as for photographs from spy planes, I wouldn't think twice about fuzzy pictures showing rows of barrack type buildings which looked just like the rows of wooden chalets we holidayed in.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 August 08 06:23 BST (UK) »
What a desperately sad show.

Only relief was at he the end when he met a descendant of his grandmother's sister

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 28 August 08 08:07 BST (UK) »
Here's the BBC timeline for Hitler's rule - as it's in chronological order you are being deprived of hindsight.

However, there is no mention of the hardships ordinary people experienced which Hitler used in his campaign to oust the government and in his rhetoric he also maligned Jewish businessmen thus creating the racist division he sought. 
   
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/launch_tl_persecution_genocide.shtml

Don't forget at the time the Nazis were showing film of Jews being happily re-settled.  And as for photographs from spy planes, I wouldn't think twice about fuzzy pictures showing rows of barrack type buildings which looked just like the rows of wooden chalets we holidayed in.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #3: Jerry Springer
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 28 August 08 08:13 BST (UK) »
This was very moving.

I find it chilling that such precise records were kept and can still be accessed.

There must be many who do not know what happened to their family.
Is there a way for the records to be searched without the help of the BBC?

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