Mystery 'Nurse Child' Fred Talbot.

[carol8353]

Thanks for the update Rosie.

Another one to put on the back burner for now( I have loads on there  )

Carol

[Rosie May]

Thank you Carol.

I forgot to mention  that I had also sent off for birth certificate for Frederick John Talbot for the year 1898 and three years either side with the mother named as Florence Talbot but received a reply from GRO saying they had been unable to find anything matching.

I find it puzzling that the mother did not appear to register his birth yet she had him baptised.

As you say I will just have to put it to one side for the moment.

Rosie

[Rosie May]

Thank you Carol.

I forgot to mention  that I had also sent off for birth certificate for Frederick John Talbot for the year 1898 and three years either side with the mother named as Florence Talbot but received a reply from GRO saying they had been unable to find anything matching.

I find it puzzling that the mother did not appear to register his birth yet she had him baptised.

As you say I will just have to put it to one side for the moment.

Rosie

[Rosie May]

Its now been over a year since I had my last posting.

Since then I have been 'digging away' at trying to find anything relating to this.

I still believe he was the illegitimate son of single woman Florence  Talbot and therefore he was born Frederick John TALBOT and not Frederick John BUTLER as he always believed.

My family grew up with this lovely Grandfather and he was a fantastic person.

None of us had any idea that he grew up in a Workhouse (have only found this out after he died and I got a computer and got interested in genealogy).

Us Grandchildren always assumed he was Scottish because he had joined the Gordon Highlanders when he was 14 years old and our Grandparents and parents were Scottish - so it was surprising  to us all that he  was actually brought up in London.

So I am asking any one following this post to please please give me any suggestions as to how to go forward with this and trace for certain this elusive Florence Talbot.

He was such a special person that I just cant rest until I know his true background.

From what I have learned, the Workhouse was so hard in those days and he had such a tough life but turned out so great

 Thank you very much .

Rosie












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[fifer1947]

Ive read through this thread tonight and some things stand out as "strange".

copied and pasted from the thread.  Frederick John dob from Workhouse Records 20th August 1898

possible reason for not registering the birth is that child could only be registered by a parent and parent is no longer there or even alive?

'Nurse Child Fred Talbot' was living at 77 Vauxhall Walk with Jane Butler on the 1901 census

but not with Florence Talbot?

Frederick John Talbot was baptized on 23rd April 1902 at St Mary at Lambeth and his mother was Florence Talbot, a single woman.  It gives the address of 77 Vauxhall Walk, which is the same address as that on the 1901 Census for the Nurse Child Fred Talbot with Jane Butler. 

How could "Florence Talbot" suddenly appear almost 2 years later to have her child baptised?  Would she do so?  And why the same address?

Or is Jane Butler pretending to be Florence Talbot? 

Was the address at 77 Vauxhall Walk a baby farm?

It doesn't make sense, does it?

[Rosie May]

Hi there and thanks for replying.

I agree this whole thing is puzzling but


Why would Jane Butler pretend to be Florence Talbot?

  Jane Butler had grown up Sons in this period  and she would be around 48 years old when Frederick was born so I think it very unlikely she would be his mother?


I understand that if some one is a Nurse Child in those days it usually means they are being 'fostered' by some one or they are being looked after by some one within the family.

I have tried to trace some kind of connection between Fred Butler/Talbot and Jane Butler (Nurse 'Mother') and Florence Talbot (who had him baptised) and have been unable to to tie these all in.

I cant trace Florence Talbot because I know nothing what so ever about her.  There are lots of Florence Talbots around in that era that would be of an age to have had Fred but I cant prove/disprove it to be the Florence Talbot that gave birth to Frederick.

This is what I would like some help with because I am at a loss to know where to take this further?

Jane Butler died in 1904 which possibly explains why her husband Walter Butler (who was a travelling Entertainer/Comedian)was unable to then care for the child Fred and placed him in the Lambeth Workhouse in 1906.

I just need to find a positive link between the Butler family and Florence Talbot so that I can find closure to this.


I agree it all sounds strange but there must be an explanation to it all some where and this is what I am hoping to find out.

Thank you for your interest.

Rosie
 

[fifer1947]

There is one other thing to check out.  WO's time in prison ..... could he have fathered Frederick before he went to prison?

[Rosie May]

hi again fifer -

 I did consider Walter Ormande as being the father but, (unless he was a very busy man,) I doubt it as he also had a daughter born in 1898 (same year as Fred) to a Charlotte Dyett 

Coincidentally, this daughter entered the Workhouse roughly the same time as Fred Butler and spent many years in there, as did Fred Butler.

This family intrigues me and I am desperate to get to the bottom of it all!!
Rosie

[fifer1947]

This is worth reading (about Baby Farmers)

http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1989-0/haller.htm