Mystery 'Nurse Child' Fred Talbot.

[Rosie May]

I have been without a computer for  several months  but I  now have a new one and have been continuing my search for my Grandad Fred Butler/Fred Talbot.

I have found the Baptism Record of Fred Talbot and have discovered his name was FREDERICK JOHN Talbot, the same as my Grandfathers Christian names.  Before this I had only known his name to be Fred Talbot. 

Frederick John Talbot was baptized on 23rd April 1902 at St Mary at Lambeth and his mother was Florence Talbot, a single woman.

It gives the address of 77 Vauxhall Walk, which is the same address as that on the 1901 Census for the Nurse Child Fred Talbot with Jane Butler. 

I am truly delighted to discover this and it adds to my belief that Fred Talbot and Frederick Butler are one and the same.

I cannot find any further record of Florence Talbot on any of the Census and would appreciate any suggestions from you kind people as to where else I should look  for her with just her name.

If only I could find a birth certificate for Frederick John Talbot to prove his date of birth as the same as that known for Frederick John Butler .  It is so frustrating!!

But at last I feel I have gone forward a step and feel so excited!!!

Rosie :

[carol8353]

Hi Rosie

That's great news,sounds like the net is closing in on the elusive Fred 

Right back at the beginning of this thread Beany suggested the 1898 Camberwell birth of a Frederick John Butler,but you said you had discounted that one.

With the new info you have it is likely that this is now correct?

I've seen the baptism entry.It is fairly unusual for a single mum to baptise a child,you don't see many of them in the early 1900's.What a shame the vicar didn't put his exact DOB in the margin,lots do 

Carol

[toni*]

Brilliant news Rosie, i wonder if there is a death of a Florence Talbot circa 1901 in the relevant reg district as Vauxhall Street ?

[Rosie May]

Hi Carol - The Frederick John Butler born in 1898 in Camberwell unfortunately died the same year, which is why I discounted him.

Hiya Toni - I am looking at all possible records to try and find 'my' Florence Talbot but not had any luck so far.

Will let you all know if I find anything.

Thank you all

Rosie

[magsb123]

Hello,
There is a John Frederick Talbot in Free BMD Births September Q 1898 Thetford Norfolk 4b 355. A long shot but worth a try. I searched for my g grandmother's bc for years until I realised she was registered with christian names reversed and surname incorrectly spelt. Good luck, Margaret.

[avm228]

What birthplace was given for Fred in the 1911 census?  Was it consistent with the "Kentish Town" from the 1901 census?

Anna

[carol8353]

What birthplace was given for Fred in the 1911 census?  Was it consistent with the "Kentish Town" from the 1901 census?

Anna

11 year old Frederick Butler(schoolboy) is listed as an inmate in Lambeth Workhouse but born in Lambeth 

Carol

[Rosie May]

Thanks Margaret, Anna and Carol for your contributions.

Since my last posting I have spent all my spare time searching  all sorts of records for anything concrete  on Florence Talbot that may tie her in with my Frederick Talbot/Frederick Butler.

So far I have found nothing.  Obviously I have found some Florence Talbot's in the census, mainly the 1881 and 1891 where her date of birth ties in (abt. 1876)  and place of birth given as Lambeth, but this is just coincidental and I have no way of knowing if this is the Florence Talbot who gave birth as a single woman to Frederick Talbot.  I could find no further trace on any other census.  So I do not know where she was when 'Nurse Child Fred Talbot' was living at 77 Vauxhall Walk with Jane Butler on the 1901 census.

I can find no death for her either which would explain  Fred Talbot/Fred Butler's reason for entering the Lambeth Workhouse in 1906.

In fact I am no further forward again now than I was months ago and it looks as though this is for ever going to be a 'brick wall' for me.

I will continue looking though, and I thank you all for your continued interest.

Rosie

[Rosie May]

Since my last posting in December I have spent all my time searching  the poor Law Records for any snippets of information on either Frederick John Talbot/Frederick John Butler.

I concentrated on Islington, St. Pancras and  Lambeth. It has been extremely  time consuming and very very laborious and came up with nothing at all on Frederick John Talbot and the records I found for Frederick John Butler were only the ones I had previously found.

As you know, I was very excited and (foolishly) optimistic when I found the baptism record of Frederick Talbot which tied in with the address of the 'Nurse Child' and was convinced that I was about to break down  my brick wall regarding my Grandfather.

Unfortunately this has not been the case and I still cant prove they are the same person.

I still haven't been able to find any concrete evidence about the mother Florence Talbot as I have no actual info to go on except her name.

So I guess this is where its got to end for the time being.

I wont give up though.  I will still keep looking and who knows ... maybe some day.......

I just thought, for those of you kind and interested enough to follow this thread, (and I am amazed at the number ) that it only fair to keep you up-dated.

Thank you again for your interest, help  and support.  It is very much appreciated.

Regards

Rosie