Mystery 'Nurse Child' Fred Talbot.

[fifer1947]

Oh silly me.....

Have just realised that Florence Talbot was around in 1902 to have Fred  baptised so obviously it cant have been the same person as Florence Dyett,  who died in 1898, so I may as well save my money and not bother sending for the death certificate.

Ah but was she/did she, or did someone represent her? 

I have an illegitimate ancestor from this workhouse also baptised at the same church.  My guess is that the workhouse insisted on it in the case of illegitimacy.

[fifer1947]

I doubt if they could register the birth of a child to whom neither were the parents, they would have had to give a relationship to the child. 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was WO's son by Florence and her folks were not willing to take on another mouth to feed.

[rutht22000]

it could well be the case - as WO was not exactly clean living - that if he was fathering children with Charlotte out of wedlock, he could well have been doing the same with Charlotte's sister at the same time.

It may still be worthwhile getting Florence's death certificate if only to discount her.

[Rosie May]

Thank you both for your suggestions.

If it turns out to be that WO was the Father it would explain why WO's mother and father had such an attachment to Fred, but I guess we will never know for certain.

WO certainly sounds an unsavoury character - all I can say is that my Grandad Fred was the complete opposite, thankfully!

I will post again when I have received the death certificate for Florence Dyett.  I have to look it up now.

Thank you both, once again.

Rosie

[fifer1947]

Just another peice of trivia but the Black Dog pub (now called the Lavender Bistro) at 112 Vauxhall Walk was rebuilt in 1895.  Not sure which way the numbers ran but the building and the one next to it look "of the period" though most buildings are long gone.

As for WO who knows maybe he wasn't as bad as we presume.  Certainly if Fred was his child his parents took responsibility for him.

There could easily be a false dob for Fred because his birth wasn't registered, so I wouldn't put to much emphasis on dob.

[Rosie May]

Thank you Fifer

Rosie

[lyndyloo6]

ooooooh rosie, you are gettting there...am getting excited for you....

[rutht22000]

another thing that struck me as a potential hypothesis for Jane having Fred with her in 1901

WO's other babies had their mother, Charlotte, but Fred (if he was WO and Florence Dyett's child) had a deceased mother and father in the nick so Jane might have been the only one to care for him especially if the Dyett parents were thoroughly annoyed at WO and their daughters...just a thought that occurred that could explain why Fred was with Jane

One thing that needs to be taken into account is that the census is only a reflection of who was resident in the house that night....nurse child lends more weight to Fred being there more than a night, but doesn't necessarily mean that Jane had him all the time.

I think I've found (as an aside) what happened to WO's brother Lionel as I think he was also military as well. scrap that, not him 

[fifer1947]

WO's other babies had their mother, Charlotte, but Fred (if he was WO and Florence Dyett's child) had a deceased mother and father in the nick so Jane might have been the only one to care for him especially if the Dyett parents were thoroughly annoyed at WO and their daughters...just a thought that occurred that could explain why Fred was with Jane

Exactly my thoughts   

Grieving Dyett's just lost their daughter in childbirth with an illegitimate son, possibly blaming WO and more importantly Fred for the loss of Florence.