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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #99 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 07:04 BST (UK) »
Had a quick look at the family tree on ancestry.   Info detailed there includes the death of Sarah WAGHORN nee BRYNNING in 1885 and the emigration of Leander to Sydney [the voyage's origin was  Sweden] in Mar 1892 and Sarah Ann in June 1892 also from Sweden.  Also details Sarah in Sands Directory for 1912 living in Balmain.  Noted also that Leander died at sea on one record and the another mentions Fiji.

I checked the Unassisted Passenger records and it shows Leander only as L and Sarah Anne as S A, but their ages appear to be correct.  However no other proof that these records are correct.

I would be purchasing the marriage cert of Leander and Sarah in 1885 and Sarah's death cert.  I can't find a birth reg for Leander c1864 in England.

Cando


this above confirms for me that we're looking at the right people. my grandmother was adamant come hell or high water that Leander was finnish/swedish...

the next thing i suppose is to find a marriage record for leander and sarah annie... and possibly birth certificates??

Belinda I doubt very much that these are the passenger records of your family.  If you read my previous post you will see that crew are named as unassisted immigrants...and it only gives initials.  Don't you think the records found by Carol and confirmed by Jenn are more likely to be your family with Sarah's mother accompanying them.  There are many ships' passenger' lists that have not been transcribed and many trips may have originated in Sweden but may have been all over the world before arriving in Australia eg the Passenger record of L JOHNSON  on the W H Fitzeman shows the Port of Departure as Kaupo which in Hawaii.

Family stories are vital to helping us with research but over the years events do become distorted eg you thought that Leander and Sarah were married in NZ....perhaps they lived there for a while...you would have to find them on electoral records. 

If you ancestor was born in Finland or Sweden it may be quite difficult to find a record...and his name may have been Anglicised ie it could have been Johansen, Jensen or a couple of other variations.  The marriage certificate is the only way to find out if it is your couple.  It is very easy to grasp at straws when researching our families....I think we have all been guilty of doing it at times ;D  I have attempted to find the birth details of my OH's great grandfather b. 1857 in Norway and so far it has been a very frustrating ordeal!

The only way you can move forward or backwards, is to purchase some certificates.  I will be interested to see what is on the certs and then we may be able to help you further.

Cheers
Cando...
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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #100 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 07:17 BST (UK) »
I will wait until Belinda has the birth cert of Rosetta Johnson before I go and look at the electoral rolls here in NZ.

Hopefully the birth cert will say what part of Auckland she was born in.

That would give me an idea as to where to start looking

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #101 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 07:46 BST (UK) »
Hi


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The  record for  their arrival  also  shows up on  ProVic
(where it does show Mrs. S. Waghorne
Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship           Port Fiche Page
WAGHORNE S MRS           58  OCT 1891 PORT ALBERT B     550 001
JOHNSON A MRS               33  OCT 1891 PORT ALBERT B     550 001
JOHNSON EDWARD A         1   OCT 1891 PORT ALBERT B     550 001
JOHNSON LEANDER J         3   OCT 1891 PORT ALBERT B     550 001


The Geelong Historical Records Centre in Lt Malop St, Geelong has the Victorian passenger list films both inward & outward incuding the outward up to, I think, 1923 that haven't yet been indexed by the PROV.

Andy

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #102 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 09:40 BST (UK) »
i'd be interested to see if these people above ever travelled to NZ at some stage... whilst not concrete evidence, may add more weight to the theory that these are the right people.

hmmm so much food for thought!


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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #103 on: Sunday 31 August 08 01:42 BST (UK) »
Leander Johnson and Sarah Annie Waghorn where married in Richman near London in the UK at Wesley church on the 3 of January 1885

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #104 on: Sunday 31 August 08 01:46 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Pete Jo

I am sure Belinda will be happy to have that piece of the puzzle solved

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #105 on: Sunday 31 August 08 02:04 BST (UK) »
Going back a bit further in England,Free BMD has the March 1885 marriage of Leander Johnson to Sarah Annie Waghorn in Richmond Surrey .

I wonder if he travelled out to Oz earlier and Sarah(Annie) went with her mum and the kids later.

Carol

Welcome to rootschat  :)

Thank you pete jo for the additional detail on the marriage found by Carol......is there any other info on the record you have found that would be helpful to Belinda?

Cheers
Cando

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #106 on: Sunday 31 August 08 04:40 BST (UK) »
i'm looking forward to what the birth certificate brings up. apparently the Dept of BDM in NZ doesn't take too long to do them. If Rosetta was adopted, it'd then be interesting to see when she came out to Aus and with whom.

I'd still be very interested to hear if anyone else has found anything though :)


Belinda.

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Re: Hello from Geelong, Australia
« Reply #107 on: Sunday 31 August 08 05:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Belinda,

I think we are all waiting patiently to see what Rosetta's birth certificate reveals.  :)
Regards
Mariac