Boyd and Kilgour Connections

[beansgram]

hi trish  it says rothesay buteshire scotland john is the only child on the bivri discs.    is there a connection?   beans

[IGJONES]

Hello, Barbara Boyd (born 1828 in Kinghorn) had two children to George Allan (ploughman of Dunning) out of wedlock.  These kids were Betsy Allan born abt. 1838 in Dunning and Mary Ann Allan born abt. 1845.  Betsy Allan married my great grandfather James Ritchie in 1872.

[trish251]

Hi IGJones

Are you sure it is the same Barbara Boyd. If she was born in 1828, it seems most unlikely that she would have a child when she was 10 years old? 1845 seems more likely, she would have been 17.
In 1841, the one of my interest  is listed on the census as 13 years old and at home with her family

1841 Census of Scotland 326/00 005/00 005
Abernethy, Perth - Clunie Mill
Peter Boyd 45 Bleacher N
Barbara do 40 N
Janet Boyd 20 Bleacher N
Peter Boyd 15   do N
Barbara do 13 N
Robert Do 12 N
William do 10 N
Henry do 7 Y
John do 3 Y

and in 1851 she is listed with her husband to be (despite the names on the census they married in 1852)

1851 Census Scotland
Backway Kelso Roxburg
William Kirsop 30 head Railway Platelayer England
Barbara Kirsop 29 wife Kinghorn Fifeshire  (age variation)

Are we talking about the same family?
Do you have them on the census? Under what name Allan or Boyd? I see the marriage on the IGI in 1872

Trish

[IGJONES]

Hello Trish,

Yes you are correct, my fat fingers getting in the way of a good story.  Betsy/Elizabeth Allan was born 1846/47 to Barbara Boyd and George Allan.

Ian

[trish251]

Hi Ian

So are you still saying my Barbara Boyd was the parent? She went to England and then Australia - who brought up the children. Did she desert the family? If the couple weren't married - what name was the child baptised under?


Trish

[IGJONES]

Hi Trish,

Yes it looks that way.  Betsy Allan lists Barbara Boyd as her mother on her marriage and death certificate.  George Allan looked after the girls until they left and worked as domestics.  On Betsy's death certificate she is listed as 'illegitimate' to Barbara Boyd (domestic servant).  Barbara's parents were Peter Boyd and Barbara Kilgour.

Ian

[trish251]

Well that's interesting - not surprising. I often wonder about 20th century morality - I seem to have found more births before marriage in my 19th century ancestors than I ever found after marriage (which may be a slight exaggeration - but if I add in the ones that were 6 months pregnant when they married    ).

Would we then be distant  cousins? I descend  directly from Janet - sister to Barbara. She was my gg grandmother. We must be of the same generation? sharing ggg grandparents.

I shall have to see if I agree with all this  Most interesting. Are you in Scotland Ian?

Trish

[IGJONES]

Hi Trish,

No, I am in Victoria right now.  Born in Perth W.A. but my work takes me all over Australia.  Yes, I am going back to the drawing board to make sure I have it right - and the researchers who are looking at things in Scotland.  My grandmother came from Glasgow and my grandfather James Ritchie is a product of the second marriage of James Snr to Janet Guthrie Ramsay.  James married Janet after the death of Betsy.  So I would assume we are half cousins, if there is such a thing.  Where do you have your Barbara Boyd in the 1841 Census?

[gav448]

Hi Trish,

I just googled Kilgour family tree and came across this, you seemed to have mentioned the Kilgour name, which there is no other Kilgours I've ever met in my Life apart from My family.My name is Gavin Reekie but my mothers maiden name is Kilgour and all the family still live in Levenmouth, Fife.I dont know if we might be very long distant relations, im very ignorant about researching family trees etc but I do find it very interesting.Just thought id mention it, dont know if it is relevant at all