Boyd and Kilgour Connections

[Gadget]

Hi Trish

Definitely no Fifers in my line as yet but maybe. I've got a Spalding in Kirkcudbrighshire b.c. 1750 who I can't yet pin down and there were quite a few Spaldings in Fife and Perth showing on the IGI, if I remember rightly!

However, back to your Durham link. Is it worth posting on either the Durham and/or Northumberland boards with a link to this thread. There are quite a few people on those boards with considerable local knowledge and sources.

Regards

Gadget

[trish251]

Undertakers should have been BANNED from being the informant on death certificates. They must get the information from someone else, so why can't that name be put on the certificate. I paid my $17.50 and there are 5 deaths on the downloaded page, every one with the undertaker as the informant ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.][/color] ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.][/color].

On this death cert the name of the wife is listed as unknown yet all the other details are given. The registrar should have admonished said undertaker, the wife just had to be the informant! The names of 4 children are given - 3 dead and one living! The place of birth, the place of marriage, age at marriage, years in Australia, name of parents, occupation of father - who else but the wife would have known - but the undertaker writes "not known" for name of wife. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

13 August 1876 William Kirsop, Carpenter 57 years Father George Kirsop, Contractor, Mother Jane Kirsop formerly Brown
Informant: the undertaker  Born Bamfield Durham England lived 23 years in Victoria Married Aldgate London aged 28 years
wife: not known Children: Barbara Jane dead, William dead, Frederick dead Joseph 18 years

I cannot find a Bamfield, Bramfield, Barnfield so may leave this mystery for awhile.

Trish

[Gadget]

Hi Triish

There's a Benfieldside directly West of Stanley. It's not very close to Jarrow though 


Gadget

Added - it's close to Medomsley though!

[trish251]

I seem to have lots of eyes this evening. But those aside, I don't think that is enough evidence to equate Brown to Hudspith - of course, the undertaker may have made up the Brown. Do wish they had married in Scotland or Australia

Trish

[trish251]

Hello Kirsty, Peter, Monica, Gadget and any other researchers with an interest in this thread - all are very welcome

While the search for the origins of William Kirsop continues, I will move on to the next of my Boyd siblings. Actually, I will bypass the next, as he is my favourite, so I will leave him until the end.

My next Boyd for discussion is William Boyd, born 2 August 1832, baptised the following month at Kinghorn. William Boyd was one of the family who stayed in Fife. He caused me some confusion - based yet again on information from the dear Great Aunt. She referred to writing letters to Mrs W Boyd (Aunt Jane) in Dysart. So I went looking for a marriage between William Boyd and Jane(Jean/Janet probably accepted). I found Euphemia Duncan. After yet again, despairing of the information from dear Great Aunt, further searching found William, in 1891 living with his wife Jane Boyd. All was forgiven, this must be Aunt Jane.

This family is very interesting, in that on a number of their Census records for Dysart in Scotland, people other than the immediate family members were living with the family. They had names which were known in the research of this family & helped to find/resolve other issues. It is most useful for research to have more distant family on hand at Census time. My first encounter with this was in Dorset and now in Fife - a very useful clue.

William and Euphemia Duncan married in the United Pres, Church, Dysart - just as well it was after civil registration - 25 January, 1870.  They quickly had four children, but sadly, shortly after the 1881 census, Euphemia passed away.

Off interest in the 1881 Census - living with the family was servant Jane Kilgour, aged 23, born Leuchars. Was this Jane a relative of William Boyd? A mystery not yet solved.

The career of William Boyd remains a little confusing. In 1881 he is listed as "retired joiner", while in 1891 he has become Inspector of Works. 1901 finds him as a Retired Clerk of Works.

My next post will continue with information on William Boyd, looking at the origins of his first wife & the introduction of "Aunt Jane" to the Boyd family

Trish

[MonicaL]

Trish

The Jane Kilgour showing in 1881 in the household of William Boyd - this looks like her birth entry:

JEAN KILGOUR  Born on 06 OCT 1857 in Leuchars, Fife
Parents: JAMES KILGOUR and MARY FORRESTER

James, father and born in Kettle, Fife, is showing as a weaver in the 1871 census and family is living in Kettle. Wife shows as Ann, so likely second marriage. There is an 1870 marriage showing on IGI between a James K and an Ann SHARP which may be his (possible 1868 death in Kettle for first wife).

Monica

[trish251]

Hi Monica

Sorry I am delayed in answering - the real world sometimes interferes 

The birth does look likely - the names are not familiar. I have a memory that I may have looked at this earlier, but there is nothing in my family file - so perhaps I didn't find a link. I am somewhat more interested in Kilgour than Forrester, so I would rather find the death of father James, than wife Mary, but then I see they did have a child in 1855 - may be a useful purchase - although, I was hoping they married 1855 or later - unfortunately not as they had a child in 1853 and married 1852.

This, however, gives me 2 census records to check for possible parents of James - He married in Kettle & this seems to be where most of his children were born. It seems like a worthwhile digression, so I will post anything I find, in the next short while. I will need to post a little about my ggg grandmother Barbara Kilgour, to determine if there is a link between the families.

Trish

[MonicaL]

Hi Trish

Best guess for James Gilmour's parents is this one:

JAMES KILGOUR  Born 20 AUG 1825/ Christening on 25 AUG 1825 Kettle, Fife
Parents JAMES KILGOUR    and MARGARET LUMSDEN

The family of James, a weaver, and Margaret (Lumsden) show in Muirhead Kettle in 1841 and 1851. Margaret, sadly showing as head in 1851, also born in Kettle.

James Kettle Jnr's 1868 MC to Ann Sharp or his DC will confirm parents as you say.

Monica 

[trish251]

Ah, thank you for reminding me (& in such a diplomatic fashion) that marriage 2 would also show the parents.

I have a habit of attempting to get close to 25 events on a page when I do a search on SP - I found that James Kilgour seems to have been the only male Kilgour married in Kettle over quite a long period, so am wondering where he may have came from. I do now have a list of 25 Kilgour marriages in Fife - 1868-1885  - many of which are also on the IGI!

Marriage  confirms parents
22 April 1870
James Kilgour H.L.L. Weaver, widower 44 years of Muirhead, Kettle, parents James Kilgour, H.L.L. Weaver deceased and Margaret Kilgour MS Lumsden
Ann Sharp H.L.L. Weaver, single, ?7 (looks like 67!) of Muirhead, Parish of Kettle, parents James Sharp H.L.L. Weaver deceased, Agnes Sharp MS Hodge
Witnesses Helen Sharp & Mary Kilgour

Trish

Edit: I have a separate query re Kilgour - looking for the roots of James snr  here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,325648.0.html