Boyd and Kilgour Connections

[trish251]

Hello Monica

Nice to see you back online. 

Thank you for the find, it looks most likely. When/if I am willing to spend $17.50 on a Victorian death certificate it may provide more confirmation. Wish they were the same price as in Scotland(about $2.50 in my currency). Meanwhile I will find the original census image for my records. You probably realise these folks are related to my Boyds who ended up in Wandsworth. They may appear on the thread eventually. Twas quite a large family.

One of my concerns about the siblings who emigrated to Victoria is that they seemed to very quickly lose contact with each other. That is very unusual for this branch of my family, as the following generations all kept in very close contact.


Trish

Edit: I find baptisms for Thomas and John on the IGI with a possible for William - 1817 but nothing between, however, there is a George Kirsop marrying Jane Hudspith in Medomsley, 1815 - and this couple are 99% the parents of the 1817 William (same parish). Thomas & John, however are baptised Heworth, but the batch only starts 1826. More checking obviously required.

[MonicaL]

ADDED: SNAP, I came to the same findings! I'll leave post as is.


The only birth details I can see for William Kirsop (from IGI) is a christening entry on 19 OCT 1817 in Medomsley, Durham. There are two further to parents George Kirsop and mother Jane:

Thomas - 23 OCT 1831 Heworth, Durham
John - 14 FEB 1836 Heworth, Durham

In terms of dates, Thomas and John could connect to that 1841 entry I posted.

There is this possibility for a marriage for the parents:

GEORGE KIRSOP and JANE HUDSPITH    
Marriage: 20 APR 1815 Medomsley, Durham, England

The location for this marriage entry would tie up with the entry for the christening of a son William in 1817 in the same place.

The index for the death of William Kirsop in 1857 that you mentioned showed mother as a BROWN, so again, jury's out!

Monica

PS Kids back to school next Thursday...with a little more time and normality, I'll get round to the Library at last for you 

[MonicaL]

This looks to be George and Jane in 1851 with the two younger children in Heworth Durham:

George Kirsop    67, agr. lab., b. Warden, Northumberland
Jane Kirsop 57, b. Whitfield, Northumberland
Thomas Kirsop 20, rail lab., b. Heworth, Durham
John Kirsop 15, agri. lab., b. Heworth, Durham
Margaret Wylam 23, servant, b. Sunderland, Durham

Monica

[Gadget]

Hi Trish

Have you looked at this site for Co Durham records:

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

Just done a quick explore on Kirsop baptisms. There are 8 pages of them. Some of them might be yours but then again ...........





Gadget

[MonicaL]

Ah..this might help 

Also in Kelso in 1851 were:

George Kirsop    29, platelayer, b. England
Margaret Kirsop 23, b Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Jane Kirsop 1, b. Kelso

Address: Abbey Court , Kelso

Monica

[trish251]

Ah..this might help 

Also in Kelso in 1851 were:

George Kirsop    29, platelayer, b. England
Margaret Kirsop 23, b Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Jane Kirsop 1, b. Kelso

Address: Abbey Court , Kelso

Monica

Oh my - where did these English men meet the Scottish lasses - platelaying seems to be the family occupation!

I wonder how valid is the name Brown! What a shame they didn't all marry in Scotland. Cheap, instant certificates which include the name of the mother of the Bride.

I assume you didn't find a William Kirsop, mother Jane Brown in the list Gadget - or a marriage between a George Kirsop and Jane Brown - that would be most useful. I see the link has an 1841 transcript, could be a better quality than other transcripts, no doubt worth checking.

Tis late in my world, I shall check further another day

Trish

[Gadget]

Oh my - where did these English men meet the Scottish lasses - platelaying seems to be the family occupation!

I wonder how valid is the name Brown! What a shame they didn't all marry in Scotland. Cheap, instant certificates which include the name of the mother of the Bride.

I expect like many of my families and  my  friends' families, Trish,  they crossed the border for work. I have some lovely tales that I might tell on these boards one of these days    A lovely second cousin of mine had a Welsh mother and a Scottish father by the name of Brown. She married an Irishman 

I assume you didn't find a William Kirsop, mother Jane Brown in the list Gadget - or a marriage between a George Kirsop and Jane Brown - that would be most useful. I see the link has an 1841 transcript, could be a better quality than other transcripts, no doubt worth checking.

Tis late in my world, I shall check further another day

Trish

I'll have another look at the site later for you. I think it may be worth getting the full listing of all the Kirsops - baptisms, marriages and burials. I do remember quite a few in the Shields/Jarrow/Gateshead area .

In fact, because I am now a pensioner, I get a bus and Metro pass for only a few pence per day so I could even take a little trip over the Tyne and see if I can find anything 'on the ground' as it were.

Sweet dreams

Gadget

[MonicaL]

Trish

A descendant of John Kirsop (chr. 1836) has a family tree on line with some additional info:

http://familytree.orbling.org/individual.php?pid=253881676&ged=phpGedIndexOrbell%20family%20tree.ged

Monica

[trish251]

I expect like many of my families and  my  friends' families, Trish,  they crossed the border for work. I have some lovely tales that I might tell on these boards one of these days    A lovely second cousin of mine had a Welsh mother and a Scottish father by the name of Brown. She married an Irishman 

If the Scottish father was a Fifer - definitely the place to tell the story. Lots of family stories on the Fife board. And then I wonder - why do all the Fifers (now and then) leave Fife. Must be something going on. Maybe a current Fifer could add some stories about why one should NOT leave Fife. I would love to come back and see the places of my roots - but I shall have to be content with discussing the people and the places in cyber space.

Not sure about these Kirsops - I assume your Mr Brown didn't have a daughter called Jane who married a Kirsop - and despite that none of my Boyds could spell their family names the same from one day to the next, I have doubts about Hudspith and Brown being misspellings of the same name   

Perhaps I need to be looking for a Jane Brown who married a Hudspith prior to 1815 - tis such a hassle when one lives so far away. Funds permitting I may part with $17.50 (but that may not be the answer).

Trish