Boyd and Kilgour Connections

[JenB]

I find a Death for William Kirsop, aged 57 in Victoria, 1876. His birthplace on this index is given as Durham and parents George Kirsop and Jane Brown. If another researcher could find verification for this birth/baptism, I would be much obliged. I have no knowledge of the availablity of records for Durham, being outside of my usual sphere of interest.

 

The only birth details I can see for William Kirsop (from IGI) is a christening entry on 19 OCT 1817 in Medomsley, Durham.

Trish, here's some more information about the baptism 
Baptism in the Chapelry of Medomsley.
Entry 98, 19th October 1817: William, son of George & Jane Kirsopp, Snowsgreen, Husbandman.
Source: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Durham Bishops Transcripts, Durham/ Medomsley 1766 - 1846 page 161

[13 August 1876 William Kirsop, Carpenter 57 years Father George Kirsop, Contractor, Mother Jane Kirsop formerly Brown
Informant: the undertaker  Born Bamfield Durham England lived 23 years in Victoria Married Aldgate London aged 28 years
wife: not known Children: Barbara Jane dead, William dead, Frederick dead Joseph 18 years

There's a Benfieldside directly West of Stanley. It's not very close to Jarrow though

Gadget

Added - it's close to Medomsley though!

The birthplace of William Kirsopp born 1817, Snowsgreen aka Snow's Green, lay within the Township of Benfieldside (which Gadget has already mentioned) and  the Chapelry of Medomsley. Here is an interesting link to verify this http://www.rootschat.com/links/048x/   It still lay within the Township of Benfieldside in 1841, which is easily verified by looking at the 1841 census (starts at HO 107/ 301/ Book 3/ Folio 28/ Page 17)

To add to this wealth of information  here is a map http://www.rootschat.com/links/048z/ showing (centre of map - orange arrow) the location of Snowsgreen - click the 'east' arrow and Medomsley comes into view.

Jennifer

[kirstyfairfull]

Hi Trish,
Here,s James & Ann in 1881 still at Muirhead Kettle he is now a wood carter.With them son James 9y & dauhter Agnes 6y both born in Kettle.    Kirsty.

[NorrieG]

Hi Trish
Htis is an inscription and photograph from Dysart Cemetery
which may be of interest to you
the dates on the stone are hardto read

1725   Erected by William BOYD Elmbank Dysart
      his wife Euphemia DUNCAN died 26.9.1881 age 49
      above William BOYD died April 1904 age 65
      daughter Margaret Michie  wife of Robert McLELLAND?
      Died feb 1901 age 38
      Jane Hay CHALMERS wife of the above William BOYD
      Died at Annan 1936?

[trish251]

Jen, Kirsty, NorrieG and all

I am having trouble putting all this information together - I didn't realise when I started the thread how much assistance I would receive - apart from anything else I need to split my Boyds and Kilgours.

Then I have William Kirsop - his mother being given as Jane Brown but JenB & Gadget thinking Jane Hudspith is in the right place at the right time to be his mother - with much to support this idea. Still wish he had married in Scotland! I haven't yet traced William's son in Australia - perhaps some descendants have done some research - although they would start with the Brown reference as well.

Norrie - the picture is fabulous & the 1936 for Jane's death could be most likely - as at some stage in the 1900s she was corresponding with family in Australia - I have an address in Dysart, for Aunt Jane (Mrs W Boyd) that I shall find.

Kirsty - from 1881 Census it is obvious Ann was NOT 67 when she married James Kilgour, I shall check her census age.

More soon - many thanks

Trish


 

[trish251]

I did assume it was acceptable to answer everyone on a single post - saving space and all that. But I do have 3 different family groups here that may well need further discussion.

William Kirsop - for want of an alternative, it would seem (and others agree) that he may be the son of George Kirsop and Jane Hudspith. Thank you for the link & transcript  JenB - I still haven't installed adobe Flash, so can't yet view the image - thus the transcription is most useful.

Snows green is part of the township of Benfieldside - which may be the Bamfield I read on the death certificate. If I could just remove the name Brown! It could well be that my distant Aunt, wife of William, selected the name Brown at random? I think my families like to do this type of thing. As their marriage certificate will only tell me the father's name, I am not sure I wish to spend 7 pounds, although it would contain an occupation which may help.

I will "pencil in" these parents but am unsure as to where to search for any further verification. Or do I consider it finished? 

Trish

[kirstyfairfull]

Trish ,
Sould have said James 55y b Kettle Ann 49y b Auchterderran.Kirsty

[trish251]

Trish ,
Sould have said James 55y b Kettle Ann 49y b Auchterderran.Kirsty

Hi Kirsty - no worries and thanks - I have access to a rather "ordinary" transcription of the census  - but if Ann was 49 in 1881, she was probably 37 on the marriage certificate - sure doesn't look like a 3. Having 2 children in the next few years, however, seems reasonable at that age.

Trish

[beansgram]

hi trish  i was reading this post and saw where you were questioning the validity of brown to kirsop.  bivri shows  john kirshop born apr. 25 1854  chr jun 6 1854  to john kirsop and mary brown can they be connected to your kirsop and brown    happy hunting   beans

[trish251]

Hi Beans

That is interesting - can you tell me the where? of the birth. Tis rather too late for my man, but if related, I wonder if it caused the name confusion?

Trish