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Offline trish251

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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 20 January 07 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Kerry

In Australia the most useful source for addresses is the telephone directory - online as up to date as yesterday - offline 12 months old - I assume you have similar in the UK.

One can opt out of being in it - but most don't bother - so I really think the "privacy" bit is bunk!

And I keep hearing about folks being "promised" that it would not be released - the only promises a government ever keeps are the ones they want to - and are so insignificant that they are irrelevant in our lives - Our PM talks about "core" promises - the others don't matter so I wonder where the census fits  >:(  >:(  probably a promise they can keep while they break the important ones


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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 20 January 07 12:41 GMT (UK) »
We do have similar in this country.

Thinking as a normal person (although I can't remember what information is actually on the last census) the only thing most people are 'sensitive' about is their address.  Perhaps someone can enlighten me if I am wrong.

So why are they hidden for so long?

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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 20 January 07 13:14 GMT (UK) »
heres what Guy said about the subject in March 2006 ..

The report to the government made some false statements which clouded the situation.

1) That stated that there had been a promise that the census would be confidential for 100 years.
False, only the 1981, 1991 & 2001 census mentioned 100 years all other census simply said they would be confidential.

2) The statement stated that releasing the census earlier than 100 years would lead to a lack of confidence in its confidentiality.
False, when the 1911 census was taken all census were released after 75 years. In addition in 1871 the census officials in London divulged the names and addresses of all children 3-13 and their parents to the London School Board to help enforce compulsory education.

3) The statement stated that releasing the census earlier than 100 years would lead to a lack of confidence in its confidentiality.
False, Prior to the release of the 1901 census in 2002 it was possible to obtain the details of residents of a particular address on payment of a (large) fee.
This option ended with the release of the 1901 census and the subsequent Freedom of Information Act.

We must keep pressure on the government if we ever wish to see the 1911 census being released, if the pressure drops the census will not be released at all.

Why?
Because the promises made said the census would be treated as confidential, no time limit was imposed on this confidentiality.

You think that is not likely look at the precedent set with Civil Registers.
Until the 1890s it was possible to search registers held by Superintendent Registrars, until 1975 it was possible to search registers held by every local registrar. Now it is impossible to search registers held by Superintendent Registrars and many local Registrars refuse access to the registers in their keeping.

A similar situation is occurring when purchasing recent (within the last 50 years) certificates. The law states anyone may purchase any BMD certificate but Southport is trying to impose unlawful restrictions.
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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 20 January 07 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes I know all of that, but we still don't know what the confidential information is supposed to be! ::) ;)

Seems to me the government is consistent in never being able to make up its mind!!!!

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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 20 January 07 13:59 GMT (UK) »
well, exsqueeze me  :)

thought it might be a useful summary for others .....

Try contacting:-

Séverine Gould or Marie Clements on 020 8392 5277 or email: press@nationalarchives.gov.uk

The whole Press Release can be viewed at - 
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/17jan2007.pdf

it stresses Personally Sensitive information ....


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« Reply #50 on: Saturday 20 January 07 16:51 GMT (UK) »
The Information Commissioner states information to remain confidential is that which would constitute a breach of confidence actionable by that or another person.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/decisionnotices/2006/101391_dn_rt_changes.pdf
In section 24 of his decision he describes his view as to what the word actionable means in this context.
"... if a claim were brought, would it succeed? A mere chance of success is not sufficient to satisfy section 41."
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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 20 January 07 17:23 GMT (UK) »
seen this site Guy ? - not sure who's running it ..... may be linked to LostCousins.com ?

If you are considering requesting information from the 1911 Census of England
& Wales under the Freedom of Information Act, we'd suggest you check out
http://www.1911census.info for the latest news and tips.
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Re: Good News ! 1911 Census!
« Reply #52 on: Saturday 20 January 07 17:32 GMT (UK) »
I wasn't on the 1941 census as I hadn't been born then, and there wasn't one taken anyway, so my first is on the 1951 census as a child; the 1961 as a young adult.  I married in 1964, thus changing my name.  Then I'm missing from the 1971 and 1981 as I was living abroad, so as I'm on the UK census for 1991 with a different name to the 1961 census, it'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall if any of my descendents look for me !!

No wonder I can't find my fore-bears if they did the same sort of thing !
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

WRITE LETTERS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO TREASURE ... EMAILS DISAPPEAR !

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« Reply #53 on: Saturday 20 January 07 18:07 GMT (UK) »
seen this site Guy ? - not sure who's running it ..... may be linked to LostCousins.com ?

If you are considering requesting information from the 1911 Census of England
& Wales under the Freedom of Information Act, we'd suggest you check out
http://www.1911census.info for the latest news and tips.


Yes I have noticed it a couple of times seems to be registered by
Registrant Name:Peter Calver
Registrant Organization:Audiogenic Software Ltd

According to whois the domain register search service.
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