deVall/Brown in Dudley

[louisemccrea]

Hi Alice and Linell

I agree it does seem like the same family it would be good to find out the hatter thing surley can't be a coincedence.

While i am on Linell i have found out a few more things about the deValls firstly Alfred deVall b.1848 to John and Eliza i think his wife Louisa's surname may of been Dudley i got this of free bmd i don't know how reliable it is i did find that their son Alfred E deVall b. 1880 Aston died  1886 in Aston.

Secondly the other Alfred E deVall b. 1874 to George and Phoebe married a Jessie Adelaide J Cooke in Kings Norton jul-sept 1899 jessie was born about 1877 in 1901 Alfred was a Head Physician and surgeon.  Alfred and Jessie had a son called Ernest Seymour deVall on 28 mar 1901 in Aston Ernest went to Amberley prep school and in sept 1911 went to King Edwards vii school the family lived on Alum rock rd in 1911 and he left King edwards 1918 the family lived 102 Gilliot rd although his father may be dead by 1918 as the schools corrispondence went to his mother instead.  I am still waiting for the school to get back to me about my grandfather and his brother but they have been very helpful i will let you know what i find.

I hope you both had a good xmas and ney year
Louise  

[linell]

Hi Louise, gosh you have been busy!  Many thanks for all the info.  Not been to the Archives yet, been busy with one thing and another, but plan to go next week.  Will be in touch, all best wishes from Linell.

[linell]

Hello again Louise, did you notice on the 1901 Census for Alfred E. Devall the Surgeon that a 54 year old Annie Brown is in the household?  She is a Monthly Nurse??  Born Chard Somerset, probably there to look after Jessie and or baby Ernest.  Wonder if she is connected to Samuel Brown, I did a search for her on the Census, looks like her husband was Henry Brown born about 1840 Uplyme Devon, his parents were George Brown and Elizabeth born Devon.  I gave up then, as trying to trace a George Brown back to Bristol is nigh impossible!  Just a thought from linell.

[louisemccrea]

Hi Linell

I forgot to say about the Annie Brown i also wondered if she was related but your right George Brown rather a common name i imagine lol.  I would be nice to know though.

Louise

[linell]

Hi Louise, yes shame about Annie Brown, is she a relative or just a co-incidence, seems a long way from Devon to Birmingham to be a Nurse Maid? Unless she had moved up there?  I checked on Gilliott Road, it is in Edgbaston, so Alfred also moved to the posh side of Brum, catch up with you soon from linell.

[louisemccrea]

Hi Alice

Since you contacted me i have been looking for any connections.  You said your Samuel was born about 1813 i found this also on the 1881 census but is it possible he was born in 1812 as i think i may have found his christening as 11 Oct 1812 if it is him then i have the name of his parents as William deVall and Mary i also may have Williams family but i am not sure i am going to have to sort out all my info and get back to you on that.  Also if this is the right Samuel i have a few siblings Elizabeth Christened 2 apr 1809, Martha christened 2 dec 1810 and Thomas Chubbook christened 21 dec 1814 all born in Rugeley.  I have came across a lot of deValls in Rugeley i think they are all related i will let you know what i find.

Take care
Louise

[AHG]

Hi Louise, That sounds about right.  I also think they are all connected.  Certainly share some family names.  I have a strange letter written by one of his daughters that gives his father's name as William, and sister and brothers' names as Martha and Thomas.  It also says, though, that William's father was a French duke who fled the French revolution and sought refuge with Sir Charles Wolsey near Rugeley. I've checked with them and they highly doubt it as Sir Charles was such a staunch supporter of the revolution he helped to storm the Bastille!  I think there might have been a little Victorian bigging up of the family history.  It did say that William died in a fire Jan 2 1815 and I have found a newsarticle about a Wm Devall who died on that date in an acid factory - doesn't really sound like the kind of place a duke's son would work even if he was a refugee! Anyway, nice to know they had an imagination.  Any chance that Wm's wife's last name was Hawley?
Alice

[louisemccrea]

Hi Alice

I have Marys surname as Hawley and i have their marriage as 25 Dec 1806 and i believe Williams parents were a Samuel deVall and Martha Brindley.   I got in contact with another woman who has a Mary deVall in her family i think this is Williams sister and so does she she is in the process of transcribing the Rugeley parish reg so i will see if anything comes up.  She was saying that quite a few deValls are registered in the Blithfield church which is on the Blithfield Estate just outside Rugeley the Estate and Church belonged to the Bagot family and she thinks the family worked for them this is in the first part of the 1700's she sent me bits and pieces and one bit was about a family called the Smallmans who were related to her Mary deVall in 1861 they had a William e deVall staying with them age 24 and a Carpenter born in Leominster this may be another son of Samuel and Sarah. 
My mother was a deVall and told me that her dad or grandad had looked into the family history and said that the family had come from either Catalan France or Spain and that there was some scandal of them coming from the illicit relationship of some poor woman and a priest it definatly sounds like they had good imaginations lol.
If you send your email address to my personel messages i will email you the info i got from the other lady and anything else i have.

Louise

[AHG]

Hi Louise,

This is great!  Very interesting.  So some bit are based on the truth!  One of Samuel's other sons had another howler about his having been a body guard to Queen Victoria.

Anyway, I'm not very good at this site yet, how do I send a personal reply vs a posted item?  Or have I just done so?