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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #324 on: Monday 23 January 12 21:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much, that was very helpful

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #325 on: Thursday 15 March 12 05:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello to all, especially Archlightzero, Glenburn, Davecigar, and Vansager.
I am new to this site. I found it after I became interested in Capt. Harry Evans,(1864-1938). I'm excited to say, I may possess the "Smoking Gun" as to whether Capt. Evans actually took a ride on Titanic.

    My mother and W.W.(Bill) Evans, Harry Evans' son, were friends. They got to know one another when they lived in the Santa Cruz, Ca. area and stayed in touch after both moved away. They corresponded via U.S. Mail between 1990 and 1992 when he was living in Salt Lake. He spoke of his father being a Commodore Pilot and doing work for White Star Line, but never actually said he was on Titanic. In two of Bills letters though, he apologetically explained that he ran out of typing paper, and wrote them on, GET THIS, Titanic letterhead!

    She, of course, saved these letters, and now I want to verify that they are original letterhead from Titanic, so I am working with an auction house that has handled the authentic article. It has the red White Star banner and next to it, the words, "on board H.M.S. Titanic". If Capt. Evans had authentic letterhead in his possession, he probably got them on the ship. Another letter was sent on stationery that has a photo of two ships, #2"Liverpool Pilot", and "Hoperange".

    If any of Mr. Evans' family would like to read these letters, I can scan and e-mail them. Just send me your e-mail address.


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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #326 on: Friday 16 March 12 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Cellarrat,

A starting point which would help in your quest for verification of the notepaper is whether it describes the ship as "HMS Titanic" or whether it shows "RMS Titanic".    If it shows "H.M.S. Titanic" (as you indicate), then sadly it will not be authentic.

HMS = Her Majesty's Ship
RMS = Royal Mail Ship

They are two very different things.

Good luck.

BY

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #327 on: Sunday 18 March 12 01:32 GMT (UK) »
My mistake, it is R.M.S. I looked up the letter from Titanic that was just sold at auction and it looks identical to that. You wouldn't think it could be an original printing of the letterhead, but stranger things have happened, so I'm going to follow it up.

   Thanks!


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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #328 on: Sunday 18 March 12 08:09 GMT (UK) »
Good luck!

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #329 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 08:35 BST (UK) »
Hello
I have discovered that two of my ancestors were river Mersey pilots . Thomas Martin ( born approx 1829) and his father John Martin . Could anybody help with information please ,
Many thanks .

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #330 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 09:05 BST (UK) »
Hi, Caring,

The records show

Martin, T (i) Born 1825 licensed 1842 retired 1880 died 1882.

A second entry shows identical dates for Martin, T (ii), except that the second name is shown as having been licensed in 1844. (It sounds like a clerical error somewhere; but solid evidence of the life of T. Martin at the time.)

There is a John Martin, born 1803, licensed 1822, died 1842:

also an older John Martin, licensed 1773, retired 1822 and died 1831.

Altogether there eleven Martins recorded as having served, the last one having died in 1916.

Hope this helps. For further information, do please try Merseyside Maritime Museum (where the original records are held).

Best wishes,

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #331 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 09:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much , I will definitely visit the Maritime Museum .

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #332 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 10:02 BST (UK) »
Re the John Martins, there is this in the Liverpool Mercury for Friday, July 25th 1834:

"Same day " (Wednesday last ) " aged 74, Mary, the widow of John Martin, pilot of this port"

Same paper, December 20th 1853:

Deaths: "Dec 4 Ann Jane, eldest daughter of the late John Martin, master pilot"

and on September 20th 1856:

Deaths: "Sept 14 suddenly aged 28, John Martin, pilot of this port"

October 6th 1856:

Births: "Oct 2nd, the widow of John A Martin pilot, of  a son"
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