Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[BY]

Hi, Martin,

The records confirm that  a T Young  was granted a Licence in 1766. JS Rees (History of the Liverpool Pilotage Service, 1949) tells us the he "subsequently drowned".

Further information is that a Licence was also granted to a second T Young  in  1780. The records show that in 1824, the Executors of Thomas Young, Master Pilot, deceased, were part-owners of the pilot-cutter ISAAC. Whether "Thomas Young, Master Pilot, deceased" was the first T Young (licensed 1766) or the second T Young (licensed 1780) is not clear.

John Young was granted a Licence in 1768 and died at sea in 1770. JS Rees tells us that he died in the wreck of the pilot cutter TWO BROTHERS on the West Hoyle bank. With others, he took to the boarding-punt and tried unsuccessfully to reach the Point of Air. He lost his life in trying to make it to safety.

Joseph Young was granted a Licence in 1759.

Hope this might help.

Best,

BY

[martin young]

Thanks BY. It gives me something to chew over. The first Thomas Young certainly had a son of the same name although I had him down as a boat builder. Will have a think on.

[portlandlib]

Hi,
Happy New year to all. Returning to research I have recently ordered a death cert for Joseph Martin (died 1893). born 1833. Occupation on death cert is listed as pilot.(Our Joseph Martin was dismissed from service in 1879)   I'm trying to establish whether there was more than one Joseph Martin b 1833 listed on the Liverpool pilot lists. A process of elimination. Hope you can help.
Regards
Jan

[BY]

Hi, Jan,

Happy New Year ! - but sadly there is an error, somewhere.

There are several Martins in LPS records, but no Martin (at all) born in 1833, leaving in 1879 or dying in 1893.

The nearest (chronologically) are the following two (which are so similar that they also suggest an error, somewhere):-

Martin, T (i) Born  1825, licensed 1842, retired 1880, died 1882
Martin, T (ii) Born 1825, licensed 1844, retired 1880. died 1882

But there is no record of a Joseph Martin or a J Martin whose dates fit anywhere near those which you mention.

There are, however,  the following other names:-
G Martin
JAE Martin
JR Martin
James Martin  (x2)
John Martin    (x2)

but all are of substantially different dates.

Hope this might help. Do you have a date for which your Joseph Martin might have been issued with a licence? Or any other information as to his career? It is possible (just) that he might be missing from the LPS records.

Best,

BY

[glenburn]

With the greatest respect, BY, the appendix to your own book contains a Joseph MARTIN born 1833, licensed 1854, retired 1879 - which is surely Jan's ancestor?

NB. I attempted to set out some of the MARTIN pilot familes in my post of 10 January 2011 (on page 23).

[BY]

GB

Boing!!!

My profuse apologies!! So it does. I was quoting from another version of the List and, plainly, that is where the error lies. It is entirely mine.

The answer to Jan's question, therefore, is that there is a Joseph Martin of the dates which she quotes, but only one.

My repeated apologies - and thanks for pointing it out.

BY

[portlandlib]

Thanks BY and GB for your help on this.(and on all previous requests)  The fact that there are no other Joseph Martins, helps in establishing I have the right one.
Jan

[wab-pcs]

I am trying to find information on Captain Thomas Davies who was captain of the No 2 Pilot Boat in Liverpool probably around 1860/70

[BY]

There is a record of a T. Davies who was born 1817, licensed 1836 and died in 1873.

The dates would fit, but I regret that I've no other details of his career. Merseyside Maritime Museum will in all probability have further detail.

Hope this helps,

BY