Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[BY]

Hi, GB,

Would this make sense?

You now make it clear that the gravestone does apply to Thorley(i) after all; and that 1858 was the year of his death.

Given that he was licensed in 1809, 31 years of subsequent service leads us to 1845, including at least 21 years (since 1824, according to Rees) as Master of a pilot-cutter. A proud family might very easily stretch this to "31 years as a master pilot": which would make your hunch as to 1845 retirement quite right.

As to the census, if he still owned shares in a pilot-cutter in 1851 (as well he might have done, even in his retirement) then there would be nothing greatly improper in omitting the word "retired" from the census form.

Fascinating!

v best,

BY


 

[glenburn]

Thank goodness the Liverpool Pilotage Service wasn't ever run on the same lines as its New York equivalent - see :-

http://www.yuhsg.org/webpages/hurst/files/Shipwreck%20Lesson.pdf

[BY]

Hi, GB,

O tempora, O mores!

I would take all of that with a very large pinch of salt, bearing in mind that there are good men and there are rogues in every walk of life. The LPS has long been pleased to share a common calling with the pilots of New York. If legal discipline in pilotage might have been more strict in Liverpool than it was in New York at any time, that is no moral fault of any New York pilot.

The advent of legal control in either place was merely an accident of time. It was also far beyond the control of any individual pilot. It was very much a public matter anywhere. It still is. I have yet to meet a saint in the world of pilotage!

Very best,

BY

[bevo]

Hello Dave,

Could you please check the surname CHARD?
I'm looking for a JOHN CHARD around 1810 -1840s
Thank you
Bevo

[BY]

Hi, Bevo,

Am sorry to let you know that the surname CHARD does not appear in any known LPS record.

Dave might have better information and will no doubt let us know, as and when he can; but it seems unlikely.

v best,

BY

[johncl]

Hi,

What was your grandmothers name? William J was also my grandfathers (Clifford) father, my mother has
some memories from this time (but not really of William J as she was very young) and would like to know which of the dauighters she was.

Thanks
Best wishes

John

[johncl]

William Clifford Holmes (my grandfather) did originally join the Pilot Service however he did not complete the trainining as he left and went to sea. He eventually married and became a Police Officer in Liverpool, later the licensee in a number of public houses in the Liverpool area, notably The Coberg (still there) and Quinns
(pulled down many years ago).

rgds
Johncl

[arleneo]

Hi Glenburn

On the slightly off-topic of St. Hilary church grounds, my relative William Henry Haynes died May 28 1888 and was buried there May 31 1888. Do you know of a source of inscriptions or photos of the gravestones? I live in Canada so can't easily pop by. Is there a list/map of the stones or would someone have to go through the whole grounds to find him?

Any suggestions appreciated.

A.

[bevo]

Thank you for checking the CHARDs

Bevo