Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[nainmaddie]

Hi

I have a photograph of my great grandmother outside a cottage with her cousin who was a Liverpool Pilot. 

I haven't a clue which cousin he is just yet !!

Were any of them photographed ?  If there was a collection of them then it might be worth a visit from SW England to Liverpool.

I hope that someone can answer my question, even if it sounds stupid !!!!!

Nainmaddie

[BY]

For sure, Dave and I remember Cyril Lord very well. He was a tall and elegant gent, and one of the last pilots (if not the last) to wear a bowler hat.

He was slightly older than my own father. When I was an apprentice and keen to learn as much as I could about everybody in the Service, I asked my Dad, "Tell me about Cyril Lord?"

"Ah, yes," said my Dad, "Dear old Cyril.  When he was a Senior Apprentice in the early 1930s, he was Second Master of Number 4 Pilot Boat (the David Fernie), which was then so old that she no longer kept station but was engaged on permanent tender-duty. It was the practice that the Senior Apprentice of the Service would be given that appointment. The Senior Master was [of course a Senior Pilot, whose name escapes me now - BY] and he used to refer to the tall and elegant Cyril (at least thirty years his junior) as 'Mister High and Bloody Mighty!'".

I'm sure that Dave would agree that he was a perfect gentleman and I never did hear anybody say an unkind word about him.

Happy days. Very best,

BY

[BY]

Hi, Nainmaddie,

The answer to your question is, yes, many were photographed.

I  make no promises, but if you could provide the name of your great-grandmother's cousin and the approximate date of the photograph, I could possibly help.

Best,

BY

[LordMalcolm]

Many thanks Glenburn and BY for your replies.  I had heard of a Cyril but I didn't realise he was John's son.
Kind Regards.

[BY]

Milord - Good Morning!

As a matter of accuracy, I have no knowledge that Cyril Lord was the son of John Lord - apart from the information given in this forum.

v best,

BY

[glenburn]

Many thanks Glenburn and BY for your replies.  I had heard of a Cyril but I didn't realise he was John's son.
Kind Regards.

Hi Malcolm

You'll know from the 1901 Census that Liverpool Pilot John LORD was living at 1 Whitefield Terrace, Everton, with his widowed, Manx-born mother Jane and four siblings?

In the 1881 Census the family is living at the same address, head of household being Manx-born sailmaker Henry LORD.

Search.labs http://url.ie/7ww2 has the marriage of a John LORD and Sarah Jane BATHIE on 21 July 1901 in Walton St Mary, groom's father being given as Henry LORD.

Cheshire BMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ has the birth of a Cyril John LORD in 1906 in Wallasey.

In 1911 a Walton-born Jennie LORD is living at 10 Gerard Road, Wallasey, with a four year-old son son Cyril John LORD and sibling Florence BATHIE, Jennie signing the schedule 'for J Lord'.

Not absolutely conclusive, of course, but the above 'circumstantial' evidence is almost overwhelming?

A copy of Cyril's birth certificate should prove the matter beyond doubt, the GRO reference being :-

1906 SeptQ
Birkenhead 6a/567
LORD, Cyril John

Certificates can be purchased on-line for £9-25 at :-  http://url.ie/7ww7/m

Best wishes

[nainmaddie]

Morning BY

Many thanks for your reply.  I will now have to go and search the attic.  ( Threw all FH papers in boxes in a hurry when decorators changed plans ).

As for the surname, I might need some help from the Welsh board.  It will be I suspect either Roberts or Owen (s ).   It might turn out to be Jones !!!!

I will dig out the photo and see if I can manage to scan it and put it up here.  That would be a miracle!!

Many thanks for your reply
Nainmaddie

[LordMalcolm]

Hi Glenburn and BY,

Once again, thanks for your help.  It certainly looks like all one family.  The Gerard Road address is particularly useful.  I was hoping the 1911 census would have given me John's address but he was at work!

You've given me some good leads to follow up.

Kind Regards,
Malcolm

[BY]

Dear Nainmaddie,

There have been at least 27 Owens, 36 Robertses and 76 Joneses who have held Licences as Liverpool Pilots.

Even allowing for the fact that (at a guess) half of that number were deceased by the time photography became available in the second half of the 19th  century, the possibilities as to the identity of your distant ancestor as a Pilot still remain high!

When you have identified a name, dates to the nearest decade would be helpful.

Good luck!

BY