Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[davecigar]

Hi Gordon,

Tebay has Daniels J as 'DIS - drowned falling from paddle box of s.s leaving Belfast'.
Read into that what you will. Why would anyone be on the paddle box! If it had been in the vicinity of a pilot station he could have been boarding or leaving a vessel, but Belfast??
I'm afraid it is a trip to the MMM because that's were Tebay got his info.

Don't know whether there is a record of Pilot cutter purchasers after service in Liverpool.
MMM??

Regards
Dave

[BY]

Hi, Chaps,

JS Rees confirms that the sloop Liverpool (1834)  was sold in 1856 to become a fishing boat at Hoylake, but does not identify the buyer.  He also publishes a photograph of her high and dry on Hoylake beach in  about 1924 (when about 90 years old). She appears to have a rudder like a barn-door, in confirmation of the manoeuvrability for which the pilot-cutters were particularly designed. The photograph is provided by Pilot Nelson Drew (born 1894 - died 1980)

Hope this might help.

BY

[monkeygirl]

Hi

I'm looking for information on "Perseverance" No 12 Pilot Boat re. George McAllister around 1870s -1932

thanks! 

[davecigar]

Hi,
There are 3 McAllister's in the list of Pilots.
1) G W McAllister (was it George William?) born 1851, licenced as a Pilot in 1870 and retired in 1917. In the 'Returns Relating to Pilots and Pilotage' for 1870 he is serving as an Apprentice Pilot attached to No 12 Pilot schooner "Perseverance", aged 19 and licenced to pilot vessels into Liverpool up to 250 tons. In the 1895 Returns he is a 1st Class Pilot, aged 44 and still attached to the "Perseverance" but she is now No 9. She was built in 1860 by T Harvey & Sons; 81'2"x18'x9'4";56grt. She became No 9 in 1885, withdrawn in 1896 and sold in 1898 for inter-island trade in the West Indies. In 1897 he is attached to Steam Pilot Boat No1 "Francis Henderson".
2) J McAllister born 1865, licenced in 1888, retired and died 1920.
3) Wm George McAllister, DOB 2/2/1882, date of admission into Pilot Service 13/9/1900 having spent 1 year 8 months sea service prior to this date. He joined Steam Pilot Boat No 4 "David Fernie" first but other records show that he also served most of his 'time' on No 3 "Queen Victoria".  He was licenced as a 3rd Class Pilot on 1st June 1908. He was a very similar age to my own grandfather who joined the Service, amazingly enough, on the same date, namely 13/9/1900 along with a further 9 other candidates, although in my grandfather's case he didn't qualify until exactly a year later 1/6/1909.
A full history of their Pilotage careers can be found in the Pilot's Character Book at the Merseyside Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, Liverpool.
Hope this answers your question.
Regards
Dave

[monkeygirl]

Thanks Dave!

I think the first is the George I'm looking for, he was my Great Great Grandfather. The details I have seem to tally with your info, I did wonder if the last one could have been his son but the birth date is out by a bit -  I have a George William but born 1885 to George & Isabella McAllister in Liverpool.

Pity I didn't know about the book at the Museum as I was there only on Saturday trying to find pictures of the 'Perseverance'. I'll have a look for the others you've mentioned now  .

Thanks again, your help  is much appreciated

[vansager]

Hi Dave

Jean McGurn posted her William JONES on Celia's thread back in April this year, she and I (Jean, that is) subsequently corresponding in some depth about him on another list to which we both subscribed at the time.
If I'm not mistaken, I identified her man in Youde as :-

JONES W (xi)
Born 1840 [Portmadoc]
Licensed 1861
Died 1882

I promised Jean I'd try to look him up in the Pilot's Character Book next time I was in the vicinity of Albert Dock, but with so much going on in Liverpool this year (and invariably having visitors in tow each time I've been there) I haven't as yet been able to oblige.
Still have it in my notebook as a "to do", so would appreciate it if you'd let me know if you propose to have a look in the PCB yourself, so I can cross it off my list?

Regards
Gordon

[vansager]

Hi Dave

Jean McGurn posted her William JONES on Celia's thread back in April this year, she and I (Jean, that is) subsequently corresponding in some depth about him on another list to which we both subscribed at the time.
If I'm not mistaken, I identified her man in Youde as :-

JONES W (xi)
Born 1840 [Portmadoc]
Licensed 1861
Died 1882

I promised Jean I'd try to look him up in the Pilot's Character Book next time I was in the vicinity of Albert Dock, but with so much going on in Liverpool this year (and invariably having visitors in tow each time I've been there) I haven't as yet been able to oblige.
Still have it in my notebook as a "to do", so would appreciate it if you'd let me know if you propose to have a look in the PCB yourself, so I can cross it off my list?

Regards
Gordon
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[vansager]

Hello,

Is there a way to find out more about captain Henry james evans when he was working for white star lines? Or about his children that moved to america? William Worrall Evans was his his name and I believe one of his sisters name was Minnie, which had a daughter named Sonia. His younger sister named Doris was married to Tommie Tomlinson that was ex sec for Cunard?

Did the captain Henry james evans really pilot Titanic and disembark before its maiden voyage? Wow!

Cheers,
vansager

[glenburn]

Hello vansager

The three children of Liverpool Pilot Henry James EVANS (b1864 Liverpool) are my 3rd cousins once removed.

William Worrall EVANS (b1900 CHS Egremont) married Hildred Elsie CHAPMAN nee ALLEN (b1895 Stafford, Kansas) on 18 September 1930 in Salinas, Monterey, California. He died in Salt Lake City on 5 October 1994, aged 94, and is buried in the Place of Chimes, Hayward, Almeda, California.

Minnie Bloomer EVANS (b1892 CHS Liscard) married William John Munro ANKERS (b1894 Liverpool) in 1922 and is believed to have had a daughter Doris Sonia (b1924).
William's father William Thomas ANKERS (b1865 Liverpool) was also a Liverpool Pilot, as was his uncle Albert Edward ANKERS (b1874 Liverpool) - one of many pilots & crew lost when the pilot boat ALFRED H READ struck a mine in Liverpool Bay on 28 December 1917.

Doris Hutton EVANS (b1895 CHS Egremont) is believed to have married John Curwen TOMLINSON (b1895 Seaforth) on 22 August 1923 in Christ Church, Waterloo and to have had twins born in 1925.

As far as I'm aware Henry James EVANS was never employed directly by White Star but was a Liverpool Pilot appropriated to that company - Dave will no doubt be able to explain the significance of this better than I can.
I've no knowledge of Henry James ever having piloted the TITANIC himself, the family rumour being that he was simply an 'unofficial guest' on board the vessel when it left Southampton on its maiden voyage, disembarking when it called at Queenstown.

Hope this helps a little.

Gordon