Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[arevans777]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for going into so much more detail. Leslie Thomas Holmes was William J Holmes' 2nd son and 3rd child. William Clifford Holmes was his 3rd son and 4th child. They were my great uncles.  This is the first time I've heard that they were also in the Pilot service, although I heard that one of them was killed in the river during WWII.  Great info!

I haven't found any link to the older James S Holmes at this stage. It is still possible they are related, but might just be coincidental.

William J had 2 other sons and 6 daughters (including my grandmother).  William J's oldest son was James Stewart and his youngest son was Charles Christopher. I know the latter became a bookmaker. I don't know anything about his eldest son. Still a w.i.p. 

William J's father was James Holmes, born 1843, a Sawyer by trade, and his mother was Sarah Jane Tod. The 1881 census has them living at 12 Gaskell Street, Toxteth Park.  Both his maternal grandfather  (William George Tod) and father-in-law (Samuel Daniel) were master mariners.

Any further information you can provide on the sons would be great.  Thanks again for your sterling work in this thread!

[pshakey]

Hi Dave

My great great great grandfather was a ship's pilot from Liverpool.  I believe that during the 1861 census he was on board The Duke, pilot schooner, his name was James Porter.  Do you have any information about him?

Regards
Shakey

[davecigar]

Hi Shakey,
James Porter born 1815.
Licenced in 1839.
Retired in 1865, aged 50.
Died in 1900.
Who could argue with that! Retired for 35 years! Must have been a record in those days.
He was attached to No 3 Pilot Schooner "The Duke" in 1854 as a Journeyman Pilot, licenced to pilot any vessel in or out of Liverpool.
"The Duke" was new, having only been built in1852 by W. Buckley Jones. Size: 69'x15'7"x7'6" draft and 62 grt. 14 pilots were attached to "The Duke" with 3 Masters (Captains) who were also licenced pilots.
In 1863 he was still with "The Duke", aged 48 and the oldest of the 19 licenced pilots. Their ages ranging from 25 upwards. There were also 7 apprentices, who were the crew.
He was one of the original members of the Liverpool Pilot's Mutual Benefit Society established on 3rd April 1848.
As previously indicated, a full record of his pilotage career can be found at the Merseyside Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, Liverpool.
Regards
Dave.

[pshakey]

Thanks Dave, that is great.

I will take a look in the maritime museum next time I am down in Liverpool, or maybe I will get my mum to do it for me, since she is closer - and it will be of interest to her too, since James Porter is from her line.

Cheers
Paula (Shakey)

[silverscouser]

David, on looking at Dad's list of sailings on SS Scythia,he starts off as a 'deck-hand' but has a selection of   G.S ::  OvS : and other titles in 'position in ships company' column on the manifest sheet.Can you advise as to what they mean.Kind regards  PETER

[jold]

Hi,
I have been researching my family tree and have come across a Master Pilot in Liverpool called John Corrin, born ~1813 and died 1866. I would appreciate it if you would be able to look up his name and see if there are any details.
Thanks.

[glenburn]

In his book 'Beyond the Bar' Barrie Youde lists a J CORRIN as licensed (as a Liverpool Pilot) in 1833 but died the same year. This is patently incorrect since the Liverpool Mercury of 12 March 1866 carried this obituary :-

CORRIN - March 11, at his residence 126 Duke Street, aged 54, Mr John Corrin, master of No 9 pilot boat. The interment will take place at Smithdown Lane cemetery on Wednesday morning next at half-past ten. Friends will please accept of this intimation.

Youde also has in his list of Liverpool Pilots :-

CORRIN R - born 1831, licensed 1856, retrired 1882, died 1896

CORRIN W - born 1822, licensed 1845, retired 1869, died 1889

Hope this is of some use.

Gordon

[Iria]

In his book 'Beyond the Bar' Barrie Youde lists a J CORRIN as licensed (as a Liverpool Pilot) in 1833 but died the same year. This is patently incorrect since the Liverpool Mercury of 12 March 1866 carried this obituary :-

CORRIN - March 11, at his residence 126 Duke Street, aged 54, Mr John Corrin, master of No 9 pilot boat. The interment will take place at Smithdown Lane cemetery on Wednesday morning next at half-past ten. Friends will please accept of this intimation.

Youde also has in his list of Liverpool Pilots :-

CORRIN R - born 1831, licensed 1856, retrired 1882, died 1896

CORRIN W - born 1822, licensed 1845, retired 1869, died 1889

Hope this is of some use.

Gordon

Hope You dont mind me adding on Gordon..(Buriels Toxteth Park)

CORRIN   Mary   51 years   Wife   5 Newton Street   13 December 1882   2793   55854   C   D Left   226   352 CEM 9/1/12
CORRIN   Robert   65 years   Pilot   50 Hamilton Road Liverpool   4 November 1896   3977   79252   C   D Left   226   352 CEM 9/1/16
GEARING   Beatrice Maud   11 months   Infant   42 Maitland Street   26 May 1890   3395   67870   C   D Left   226   352 CEM 9/1/14
GEARING   Eliza Jane   55 years   -   23 Chepstow Street Walton   3 December 1915   5502   109696   C   D Left   226   352 CEM 9/1/22

CORNELL   Edward   32 years   Wife   126 Duke Street   6 May 1868   1437   28710   C   N   418   352 CEM 9/1/6
CORRIN   Jemima   79 years   -   158 Kensington   7 June 1898   4114   81983   C   N   418   352 CEM 9/1/17
CORRIN   John   54 years   Pilot   126 Duke Street   14 March 1866   1184   23672   C   N   418   352 CEM 9/1/5
DUCKWORTH   Isabella C   44 years   Wife   37 Friar Street   22 November 1896   3980   79318   C   N   418   352 CEM 9/1/16


Hope these Help

Regards

Iria

[glenburn]

Hi Iria

Course I don't mind - every little helps!

PS. Presumably you're my old friend Iria Louise from the L&SWL forum, from which I am of course now banned for life?    :-(

My best wishes to you
Gordon