Offer:Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990

[ozranga]

Hi, oops, didn't read your reply properly
The John Williams born 1841 was licenced 1861, retired 1903, died 1913
Sorry
Marienne

[Heyhouse]

Hi, oops, didn't read your reply properly
The John Williams born 1841 was licenced 1861, retired 1903, died 1913
Sorry
Marienne

Many thanks, Marienne

That has helped a lot

[libbyoc]

Does the probate calendar have any details other than a listing of death and address of the person?  Does it have a precise date of death? Can you please advise how I access the Liverpool Probate calendar for 1945.

[dawnsh]

Hi libbyoc

you've tacked your request onto the bottom of another topic.

You can browse the probate calendars here

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

click on the 1858-1996 tab first and enter the surname and year of death

The pages aren't indexed so you'll have to scroll through until you find the correct page and place.

Make sure you check for upto 5 years after the death as not all probates are proved immediately.

If you find an entry, you can order a copy for £10

If you have an Ancestry subscription, you can search the calendars there upto 1966 as they have been indexed on that site.

You cannot order probates from Ancestry but you can use the information you find there over on the HMCTS site and order direct.

The information varies in the calendars but you will get a full name, address, and exact date of death.

If the word Adminisitration is in the entry, there is no will so unless you need a copy of the grant which names the administrator for legal purposes, save your £10 for something else.

[libbyoc]

Dawn, thank you so much for this information.  I will begin looking now.

[libbyoc]

Your help was invaluable.  I found exactly what I wanted very quickly, following your very clear instructions.  Thank you again.

[BirchHill]

My Great-Grandfather, John Johnson is listed as a pilot on his marriage certificate on 24 Nov 1879.  He was aged only 21 at the time, which seems rather young to be a pilot.

In future records (census etc), he is listed as a waterman, boatman, barge boatman or river gig boatman.

This is what I know:
Born 7 Aug 1858 - 40 Dublin Street, Liverpool.
Married Margaret o'Brien 24 Nov 1879.  She later died.
Married Emily o'Brien 17 Mar 1895.
He died between 1927 - 1929.

His father, Peter Johnson was a mariner / Seaman / Boatman, born about 1821 and died before 13 Aug 1883 in an accident at the Docks. 

I guess that John Johnson learned his trade from his father, and I wonder if Peter Johnson was was a registered Pilot.  Peter was married to Hannah (known as Ann).  Peter's father was also called Peter Johnson.

John's son, Thomas Johnson (my grandfather) 1906-1981 was a Mersey gig-boatman all of his working life.

Can you find any of the above in the records of pilots?

Ian

[ShaunJ]

No they are not on the list.  There is a J W Johnson born 1859, licensed in 1878, but he died in 1885.

[BirchHill]

Thanks Shaun.

Are you aware of any register of Mersey dockside accidents / fatalities? 
I'm thinking of Peter Johnson -  mariner / Seaman / Boatman, born about 1821 and died before 13 Aug 1883 in an accident at the Docks. 

Ian