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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #234 on: Saturday 26 February 11 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi, GB!

My apologies for any delay in response but I've only just seen your latest re George Sale.

Please let me say at once that there is no kudos to be stolen and I'm sure that I speak for David Cockram in saying that we are all privileged to be members of the LPS family at all.

As to George Sale (who was known as Barney Sale), his was a name which I heard a thousand times in my youth; and my own father and Dave's father will have known him very well.

Somewhere I have (as a treasured possession) a chart of the River Mersey dated 1940 with many red circles superimposed.  Each circle is marked either "L" , "M" or "S" (Large, Medium or Small) and identifies an anchorage  for a large, medium-sized or small ship. The purpose of the chart (very clearly) is to identify the maximum number of ships which could be crammed into the anchorages of the Mersey in those dark days of WWII. The chart is over-stamped "G. Sale. Master, Number 1 Pilot Boat - Defence of the Realm Act".

As my own father was a serving pilot at the time I have no doubt that he would have had a similar chart - and quite how (or why) he came to hold Barney Sale's chart I don't know, but amongst people who worked closely together it seems obvious that loans/exchanges of documents/information etc would occur regularly.

With many thanks for your own information - do please keep it coming!

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #235 on: Saturday 26 February 11 21:56 GMT (UK) »
A further snippet from the same era is that during WWII there was of course much Royal Naval activity at Liverpool, in addition to the merchant trade which was operating at full capacity and more.

Unusually, it was decided to appoint a King's Harbour Master at Liverpool, an office normally held only at the RN Dockyard Ports such as Portsmouth, Plymouth, Rosyth etc. Selected to fulfil this role was Pilot Tom Small (born 1873 and who had retired in 1938 aged 65.) Such were the merits of Tom Small (a Blue Funnel pilot for more than 30 years) that he was called from retirement for the role ; and he it was who identified, organised and designated the many anchorages as shown on Barney Sale's DORA chart.

Quite how well the the red circles served would depend, of course, on the navigational skills of pilots and others in identifying and adhering to the designated/plotted positions; but the evidence of effort and organisation is clear in any event.

My father often told me that, so closely were the ships crowded into the anchorages at the time that the need to maintain anchor-watches was particularly acute and any sleep or rest was at a premium. As he expressed it, "Trousers became worn through at the knees through kneeling on settees and peering through portholes to make sure that anchor bearings had not changed , anchors had not dragged in the tideway and ships had not become dangerously close to each other."

Tom Small had two sons WJ (Bill) born 1902 who became Master of No. 4 Pilot Boat and OG (Overton or Ovey) who served as a Blue Funnel Pilot from 1939 until his retirement in 1965.

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #236 on: Friday 25 March 11 23:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi I wonder if anyone could look up a deceased family member whom we have been told was a mersey pilot, details as follows
James H Mylcreest  he lived on Wirral [New Brighton] time span could be 1930s---1960s. It is possible he was part of the crew and not a pilot  the family knew him as Harold ,Would appreciate any info.

Regards from  Chris

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #237 on: Saturday 26 March 11 00:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Clwyd,

Your relative could only have been Harold Mylchreest (JH Mylchreest), who was born 1895, Licensed in 1919, retired in 1960 and died in 1978.

He served as Appropriated Pilot to Manchester Liners Ltd.

If you search back a few pages on this site, I think that you will find that other members of your family have also made enquiries.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #238 on: Sunday 27 March 11 16:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Barry thanks very much for info he will be correct person he married my wife's aunty Mary Parry from Amlwch approx 1935  , miss the nautical poems on ADN [curious]

Best wishes Chris [aka craghopper]

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #239 on: Sunday 27 March 11 16:55 BST (UK) »
Dave,

I have a newspaper clipping dated 25th January 1895 which names John Swarbrick as the pilot of the steamship "Serona" which collided with a schooner in the Crosby Channel. I presume that John Swarbrick was a Mersey pilot - do you have any further information on him please?

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #240 on: Sunday 27 March 11 18:01 BST (UK) »
Hi, JDS,

Dave has asked me to respond to queries which are addressed to him, as he is away at present.

Am sorry to say that the name Swarbrick does not appear in the list in Beyond the Bar, which is virtually complete but is known to have (very rare) omissions. An omission in the Martin family came to light (through Dave's further research) only a few weeks ago.

The greater likelihood is that John Swarbrick would have been a shipmaster  holding a Pilotage Exemption Certificate. (There were many; and to what extent their names might be recorded at the Maritime Museum I simply don't know - but it might be worth your while trying there.)

Any further information which you might have would be most welcome.

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #241 on: Sunday 27 March 11 18:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the quick response. The snippet, transcribed by me, is as follows:

GLEANINGS
As a result of an inquest before the Liverpool Coroner on the body of William Evans, cook of the Preston schooner J C Swindlehurst which sank on Sunday after colliding with the steamer Sirona in the Crosby Channel, the jury found that the accident was brought about by "misjudgement" on the part of the Sirona's pilot, John Swarbrick.

It is taken from the Birmingham Daily Post of 25th January 1895.

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #242 on: Sunday 27 March 11 19:43 BST (UK) »
Many thanks, JDS.

Fascinating that the Birmingham Daily Post should have taken an interest.

I still think that your best line for further research will be the Maritime Museum, citing all that you say above.

Good hunting! Please let us all know if you find something.

Best,

BY

PS Tebay's List of Pilots was a major (but not the only) source for my  own List. I very much doubt that I would have missed the name Swarbrick if it had been in Tebay's List, for two reasons (i) It is not a common name and (ii)  I did know the name Swarbrick (wholly unrelated to pilotage) in my own childhood. It would immediately have rung a bell with me if it had been in any List which I have yet seen. Hence my own doubts.