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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #198 on: Thursday 30 December 10 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Davidcigar,    My Father used to mention that he had a cousin who was a Mersey River Pilot, but during my researches i have not found any evidence to support this. the cousins name Was JACK MALCOLM.
       
         During the 1990s there was an article in the Daily Telegraph, which was a profile of a Jack Malcolm who worked as a Mersey pilot, it also mentioned that he was following in his Fathers footsteps. UN- fortunately the paper was mislaid and attempts to get a copy failed.

            I would be grateful if you could look this up, and establish if the fiction is actually fact.

           Thank you  in anticipation.  Have a good New Year
                                                              Regards,  Malc


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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #199 on: Thursday 30 December 10 21:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Malc,

I think the article you are referring to was " A day in the life of" on the back page of the Telegraph magazine. The pilot was Andrew T Malcolm, a good friend and colleague of mine. I can assure you that his father was not a Liverpool Pilot.
There isn't another Malcolm in the List of Pilots from 1766.

So, fiction I'm afraid and a happy and healthy New Year to you too.

Dave
Cockram/Williams - Poole/Wareham, Dorset
Evans - Corwen
Dodd - New Ferry/Malpas
Jones/Williams - Caernarfon/Anglesey
Bristowe - Bratton, Wiltshire
Wells - Bath, Somerset
Fishwick/Lewis - Liverpool
Nicholson/Tennant - Ecclefechan, Dumfrieshire

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #200 on: Friday 31 December 10 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Davecigar

Thanks for looking up my relative - John Alfred Martin.  I'll give the Merseyside Maritime Museum a call to chat to their archive section to see if they can give me some more information.

Many thanks for taking the time to look him up and for your prompt reply.

Regards

FJaney

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #201 on: Sunday 02 January 11 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am looking to see if my grandfather John McCarthy is in your book.He resided in Liverpool and was born approx 1876-he died in at sea near IOM and was pronounced dead at a hospital in Ramsey IOM in Sept 1942.Apparently in his 60's.His home address was Cosgrove Road  Liverpool.Many thanks


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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #202 on: Monday 03 January 11 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Charneca,

The name of John McCarthy doesn't appear in the List in Beyond the Bar. 

Unfortunately, I would add that records for the dates which you quote (i.e. a working-life spent mostly in the 20th century) are virtually complete. The records are, however, kept under review and, as you might have noticed, a missing sheep from the 19th century was discovered hiding in the fold only a few days ago.

Do you have any firm evidence that he was a licensed pilot?

Much confusion has arisen from the issue of pilotage exemption certificates to shipmasters engaged in the coastal trade, not least from the common expression that the master of a particular coaster might "hold the licence", when in truth the document merely provides an exemption from the obligation to engage a licensed pilot. There were hundreds of exemption certificates issued in the coasting trade.

A First Class Pilot's Licence authorises a pilot to conduct the pilotage of any ship of any size.

An Exemption Certificate merely authorises the master of a particular ship to conduct his own pilotage.

Perhaps your Grandfather was a coastal shipmaster?

Any further information would be useful.

Best regards,

BY

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #203 on: Tuesday 04 January 11 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave   Thanks for laying that myth to rest, but as a matter of interest,
 would your colleague Andrew T Malcolm, mind if you gave me his Fathers name, and possibly his own date of birth. There may be a connection to my Malcolm Family tree.

                             Best Regards
                                       Malc
                           

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #204 on: Wednesday 05 January 11 14:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Malc

I'll contact him, and let you know with a PM

Regards
Dave
Cockram/Williams - Poole/Wareham, Dorset
Evans - Corwen
Dodd - New Ferry/Malpas
Jones/Williams - Caernarfon/Anglesey
Bristowe - Bratton, Wiltshire
Wells - Bath, Somerset
Fishwick/Lewis - Liverpool
Nicholson/Tennant - Ecclefechan, Dumfrieshire

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #205 on: Saturday 08 January 11 10:18 GMT (UK) »
My gggrandfather Joseph Martin b 1833 was also a Pilot. (Record supplied by Maritime Museum from character book not too illustrious!) He was apprenticed in 1854 spent time on boat 5 and 8 Was dismissed in 1879.
I know he was living in Seacombe in 1879 but cannot find him after that.  His wife and some children came to Australia in 1888.

Noticed another posting about John Alfred Martin... a long shot but wondering if a connection.  

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #206 on: Saturday 08 January 11 10:28 GMT (UK) »
I am a novice at this. Please excuse!  If a Pilot was dismissed from the service in 1879, what career options would have been left for them?

Would they have been allowed to go to sea in another capacity?

thanks