Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[Alexis Sally]

Bethania and James Gray only just found out aka / mobbs were my 3xgreat grandparents there children were eliace twins cornelious and righteous and Moses eliace and righteous married sisters Amelia and sage hurn /heron xxx

[Alexis Sally]

regarding polygamy:

three of the daughters of No Name Heron - Millia, Eliza and Uri demonstrate this:
Millia married Pyramus Gray and stayed with him for life.
Eliza married first Jack (John Budd) Gray (brother of Pyramus) and later Oseri Gray his cousin.
Uri married first the same Jack Gray and later Leonard Printall.

Jack (John Budd) Gray was married many times, to Uri and Eliza, and also to Maria Boswell AND her daughter Harriet Williams, and lived out his days after transportation with one Frances Dowlen.

is the Pyramus Gray your talking about use the name eliace ? As Amelia heron daughter of Edmund was my great great granny but is far as I know her husband was eliace Gray ?

[Alexis Sally]

PS another source gives Charlotte as w/o Matthew Smith and she is a Boiling/Boyling/Boylen.

IGI shows up Charlotte Boylen, d/o George & Franette c.26.05.1811 Eagle Lincs.
This makes her d/o George Boyling who married Tranette/Franette/Trinity Boswell, and GEORGE later marrying Joyce Tansey/Tanzy/Tansy.

George and Joyce settled at Nettleham Lincs, he dying in 1873 and she in 1885. George is a presumed (and reputed) son of Caesar Boyling.

Caesar Boyling (var) married 1 Mary Royston 1768 Boston Lincs and 2 Sarah Smith 1780 Wrawby (by Brigg) Lincs.

Caesar known to have had by Mary:

Sam (1769 Boston) Tom (1775 Coventry) Ambrose (1777) Coventry and by Sarah:

John b.cir 1781 Wolverhampton and Sarah c.1784 Spalding who married Zachariah Boswell in 1809 Kirton In Lindsay.

By Joyce Tansey George is known to have had Salome Ellen Boyling c.1823 Scampton Lin who married William Gray c.1822 Ancaster s/o Wm Gray who married Tabitha Smith.

did William and Salome have a son eliace because Williams had so many wives I can't keep up with him lol

[Seed130]

Hi,
I have just joined after reading this thread and am wondering if anyone can help please.   I believe that Henry Smith had another younger brother call Albert/Alfred Smith b. 1847 in potentially Barrowby,  Eagle, Welby or Harrowby Lincs.  This would make him the youngest child of Bathwell and Charlotte  Smith. 

At his first marriage (as Albert) to Mary Ann Betsy Donson in Navenby on 24/6/1866 his father is listed as Barthold Smith and at his second marriage to Anne Maria Tindall (just down the road in Boothby Graffoe) on 18/10/1875 his father is listed as Bathwell Smith. 

We know from the 1861 census that Bartholomew Smith (aka Bathwell etc) was in Bassingham and although Alfred/Albert is not listed as one of his children, there is an Alfred Smith listed as a Carter at the Chequers Pub where the publican is a Patchett (a name which is also in this string) in Eagle (Bassingham is between Eagle and Navenby).  There were two Millicent's living at the pub (wife and daughter of Patchett) and Albert Smith names one of his daughters Millicent so this could be him.

Albert appears to have given up the Romany lifestyle after his first marriage when he settled in Navenby as a farm labourer (where Barthwell Smith was buried on 25 Nov 1861).  He is on the 1871 census there as Alfred. My great grandfather Charles Abram Smith was born in Boothby Graffoe in 1880.  Then Anne Marie and Albert Smith appear on the 1881 census where they settled in Pointon where he appears again in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census' before his death in 1933 in Bourne which covers Pointon.  Pointon is one village away from Billingborough which also appears in this thread as a place visited by the Smith/Gray/Elliot families.

Also does anyone know anymore about the parents of Bathwell and/or Charlotte?

Thanks!

This information from Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

[An65]

Hi,
I have just joined after reading this thread and am wondering if anyone can help please.   I believe that Henry Smith had another younger brother call Albert/Alfred Smith b. 1847 in potentially Barrowby,  Eagle, Welby or Harrowby Lincs.  This would make him the youngest child of Bathwell and Charlotte  Smith. 

At his first marriage (as Albert) to Mary Ann Betsy Donson in Navenby on 24/6/1866 his father is listed as Barthold Smith and at his second marriage to Anne Maria Tindall (just down the road in Boothby Graffoe) on 18/10/1875 his father is listed as Bathwell Smith. 

We know from the 1861 census that Bartholomew Smith (aka Bathwell etc) was in Bassingham and although Alfred/Albert is not listed as one of his children, there is an Alfred Smith listed as a Carter at the Chequers Pub where the publican is a Patchett (a name which is also in this string) in Eagle (Bassingham is between Eagle and Navenby).  There were two Millicent's living at the pub (wife and daughter of Patchett) and Albert Smith names one of his daughters Millicent so this could be him.

Albert appears to have given up the Romany lifestyle after his first marriage when he settled in Navenby as a farm labourer (where Barthwell Smith was buried on 25 Nov 1861).  He is on the 1871 census there as Alfred. My great grandfather Charles Abram Smith was born in Boothby Graffoe in 1880.  Then Anne Marie and Albert Smith appear on the 1881 census where they settled in Pointon where he appears again in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census' before his death in 1933 in Bourne which covers Pointon.  Pointon is one village away from Billingborough which also appears in this thread as a place visited by the Smith/Gray/Elliot families.

Also does anyone know anymore about the parents of Bathwell and/or Charlotte?

Thanks!

This information from Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

yes have same details as you regarding Albert. As for Bathwells parents, Thomas and Nancy were their names given at his baptism in 1795 at Cold Higham, Northants. His sister Brownetta was baptised in the same place in 1794.

[Kat Smith]

Hi folks

Just thought i'd throw this snippet into the arena, I must admit I can't recall if I've posted it before or not heho! It's a newspaper article I came across about Wisdoms funeral:-

"The Prince of the Gypsies"  The funeral of "The Prince of the Gypsies" - Wisdom Smith, aged 76, took place at Essendine, Rutland, on the 4th Inst. About one hundred of the wandering tribe were present at the ceremony, and a large concourse of peasantry from the adjacent villages also joined the burial train.  The dark faced outcasts, in projecting this spectacle, were wiser in their generation than the simple rustics among whom they had pitched their tents;  they secured a 'comfortable coffin' for their patriarch by assuring the joiner that the princes son was worth thousands and would come from the north to take the place of the chief mourner in the funeral obsequecies. The also duped other small trademen by telling them that the wealthy heir would pay for everything in a princely manner! Every man, woman and child, of the crafty race, had however disappeared like a mist before the morning succeeded the cermony and the tradesmen were unpaid".

Extract from The  Lincolnshire Mercury 5th May 1839.


This ties in with the info on Free BMD giving Wisdoms death as June 1/4 1839, Stamford. Has anyone actually seen a copy of his death certificate I wonder?

BG

Good evening from New Zealand 😁
 I'm from Lincolnshire originally and we've just managed to Link our ancestry tree to a Wilson Smith.. with a newspaper article about his death in 1839 saying he was king of the Gypsies? Which you just quoted 😁.
I've been trying to find my maternal side Hitchin and after much detective work on ancestry my awesome hubby had a breakthrough today.
I really wished I could have gotten my mum's DNA, but due to her dementia we wasn't allowed to 🙄.
It's been a hard 4months. But hopefully now we'll start to understand my mum's father's side.
When my DNA came back with Roma it made me smile,( I live on the road in my caravan) and it finally made sense to why I am finally at peace, and really at-home on the road 😁
Anyway it's 1.35am and I've got to babysit my grandkids tomorrow so I best get to bed 🤣.
Hope you enjoy my rambling introduction,🫣 Kat