Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[mongojoby]

Hi Deb,

I think I can help with Francis and Sarah for 1861.  They are presumably with Francis' parents Edward and Martha in Alford Lincs:

New Road;
Edward Elliott; Head; Mar; 60; Gipseys (" appears for Martha then all other professions are left blank); Notts, Willboughby
Martha Elliott; Wife; Mar; 69; Lincoln, Great Ponton
James Elliott; Son; mar; 30;  Lincn, Grantham
Charlotte; Daug; mar; 28; Lincoln, Wyburton
Francis; Son; mar; 28; Leicester, Hellington Hill
Julia; Daug; un; 22; Lincoln, Timberland
Arnold; Son; un; 19; Lincoln, Bloxholme
Jermmina; Daug; 15; un; Lincoln, Barwell
Harriot; Daug; 12; un; Lincoln, Billingborough
Christopher; 10; Son; un; Lincoln, Potter Hanworth
Sarah; Daug; mar; 22; Notts, Nottingham
Thomas; grandson; 6; Lincoln, Cumbergate
Samuel; grandson; 4; Lincoln, Monthorpe
Lydia; grandaug; 2; Lincoln, Billinghay
William; grandson; 1 mo; Lincoln, Alford
John Smith; Boarder; 24; not known

No sign in 1871 though, also a shame it doesn't give more details of the boarder John Smith as may well have led to a connection between the Smith and Elliott families.

[An65]

There were several Wisdom Smiths. That topic has been covered in this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314363.0.html

The one who reputedly married Brownetta Smith is the same one that married Maria Ellet (Elliot) Though.

The Winters certainly did marry into the Grays and Smiths but they are notoriously hard to find on census, (and everywhere else it seems!).

As for the Elliots, yes indeed Edward Elliot and Martha were the parents of Francis. Edward Elliot was the brother of Ann who married William Smith (my great x4 grandparents).

Francis and Ellen do appear on the later census the enumerator just couldnt spell their surname. I know I did find them but have lost that data in the great PC crash, so now Ill have to go have another look.....

[An65]

Here is Francis in 1881 with his first wife Sarah Mills:

1881 RG11/3261/112/21
Brackenborough Lane, Louth

Francis Ellett 48 Hardware Dealer, Buckminster  Leic
Sarah Ellett 44 Newark Notts
Lydia Ellett 22 Kyme Lin
William Ellett 21 Alford Lin
John Ellett 18 Wrangle Lin
Jemima Ellett 16 Benniworth Lin
Ellen Ellett 14 Bucknall, Lin
Esther Ellett 12 Caistor, Lin
Mary A Ellett 5 Louth Lin
Christalena Ellett 3 Langworth Lin
Elizabeth Capes 20 Servant Blyborough Lin
Eliza Goodhand 20 Servant Bonby Lin

[deb usa]

Hi An 65

Yep we found Francis and Ellen Elliott in later censuses ...under the surname ELLET...see page 4 and Chez' summary ...in 1901 they had a grandson Herbert Smith living with them.

as for Constance ...under Ellett in 1891 ...I do believe she is Constance Smith ...Barthy and Ellen's daughter.

deb

[deb usa]

Hi
Just browsing through before logging off and saw this from babygirl101 ...

I can't really find any connection to a Charles Smith (b. around 1819) in my family, but I came across a newspaper report about him, dated 26th February 1887.

It refers to his wife Lucy Smith (formerly Austin) who was born around 1829. They had two children living with them at the time - Oceana aged 17 and Albert aged 11.  They were reported as being gypsies and he was from Barford Oxfordshire apparently.  His sister then late sister was mentioned and it said she was the wife of a Wisdom Smith and had died about 1885 at the age of 90 (i.e. born around 1795).

Could this be Brownetta? She was supposedly born 1784.
]Chez

Hi Chez

in 1881
Watlington, Oxfordshire
shed
Charles Smith head mar hawker 67 b Oxon marford
Lucy wife 57 b Oxon ??
Albert son 5 b Bucks ?? common
Ausly ??  11 dau b Oxon Shawl?

1871
Thame, Moreton Field and North Weston, Oxon
camped in ??
Charles Smith head mar 50 peg maker, wire ? b Oxon Barber
Lucy wife 40 chair bottomer b Wiltshire, H/Mannaton
Licia dau 18 unm bird minowing b Hale Surrey
Elizabeth dau 14 b Cassington Oxon
Ochennia dau 8 months b W/moreton Field,  Oxon
Charlotte Austin mother widow b Wiltshire Ives/

we would have to tace them to see if he is related to Brownetta

will look further

deb

[mongojoby]

I can't work out whether you are still revelling in the search Deb, or if it has all gotten under your skin now and you feel like you have to solve the mystery 

Great plucking of census returns out of nowhere anyway!  I have had a quick look at the 1881 return and I think the birth place for Ausly/ Ausey in 1881 might be Thame, Oxon, can't help with the other ?s though.

[jamajo]

Hi Deb,

        Hope you dont mind but i had a look on Oxfordshire Marriage Index as i was sure i had

        see a Wisdom Smith when doing another search. I found 2

3 Mar 1782 Wisdom Smith to Hannah Smith at Bletchingdon
12 Mar 1804 Wisdom Smith, gypsy, to Elizabeth Gentle, gypsy, at Shutford

       Hope this may help.

                  Sue

[deb usa]

Hi Sue ..nice to see you!

Thanks for that ... Was that on Cathayb's scavenger Hunt ?

I wonder how many Wisdom Smiths there were? Brownetta Smith , s/o Barthwell Smith, who married Wisdom was b c 1794.


eekkkk so much to find ... LOL

Jo ... I love the hunt and , yes, they have gotten under my skin ...I am hoping I find my Penfolds/Orchards with them somewhere ...

ded

[jamajo]

 Deb i cant remember if it was for Cathayb's hunt or not, im sure she will let me know if she hasn't

got it

I also found this one but dont know if it will help with the search

15 Feb 1808 Valentine Smith to Elizabeth Grey at Banbury.

I try and make notes of any names that may help any of you when i find them in my PRs as you

never know if they will help

   Great to speak to you again   Cant wait for your next hunt


               Sue