Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[An65]

here ya go Harriette Smith d/o Matthew/Charlotte c.13.05.1838 Quarrington Lincs
(IGI)


oh, PS dont forget there was no rule about including people who didnt live in houses in the early census returns.

My Gt x 3 Grandad Christopher Gray appears exactly NO where, cos he died in 1869 in Wrawby by Brigg, and the earliest return including my family is 1871 where his widow Maria turns up with the rest of the kids.

[Chezp]

Hi Jo, Deb and An65

You're too fast for me and you've done a great job. I can see you love a puzzle    THis is fantastic. Thank you so much.

Yes I'll order Henry's certificate to see if Dinah/Ellen is the informant - does look as if they weren't married doesn't it. Maybe that earlier Ann I found (if right of course) died. Also maybe the younger children were Dinah/Ellens and only the oldest two were Henry and Ann's.

The earlier Smiths - Christopher, Charlotte and C that Deb found, they look promising too .. It points to Bathwell maybe being also known as Matthew yes? I've a later link with Donington as Fred Smith (Henry's son) married Annie Luesby of Donington. And in an old family birthday book I've  found the entry "Uncle Barthy died 1923 Donington)

I don't know of a grandson Herbert Smith (in 1901 census)  - the first son I know of Fred Smith and Annie Luesby is Henry (Sonny) born 1905. There is a later son Felix . Several times another son has been mentioned in the family but not known for sure,  so Herbert is a mystery to me. Maybe he is a son of one of Fred's siblings? The  birth dates fall wrong between the census don't they so I don't think we'll know anymore on him until 1911 census.

So, I think my best bet now is to get Henry's death certificate and Bartholomew's marriage certificate yes? I'll let you know as soon as I get them.

Chez

[Chezp]

Actually, probably just Henry's certificate.  Bartholomew's won't really give me anything new will it. I've got his wife and he's on census.

Chez

[deb usa]

hi Edwina

Nice to see you again

I have just gone back and reread this thread .....to try to figure out who Herbert could belong to .

in 1901 we have Barthy with wife Eliza and child and his single brother Christopher.
Constance is with Ellen Elliott/Ellett in 1891 , but dies 1926
Harriet and Herbert Hand (and child) are lodging with John and Eliza E Gray.

That leaves us with Charlotte and Thomas...
ahh Thomas Smith is with William and Sophia Gray (who have a son named Herbert) in 1901...he is single and 20.



There are also a few herbert Smith birth registrations ... for 1894

deb

[deb usa]

ummm have we found Constance in 1901 yet?



deb

[deb usa]

hi again

i wonder if this is Constance in 1901

St Swithin, Lincolnshire
Cameron Street
Albert E Hollinshead head mar 30 Journeyman tailor b Lincs
Constance wife 30 b Lincoln

marriage;
Constance Smith = Albert Edwin Hollinshead
Sept q  1895 Lincoln 
7a 1008

deb

[deb usa]

 
Among the 1928 mourners for Fred Smith I can't identify are:

Mr E Smith, Donington (brother);
Mrs W Smith (sister-in-law) Donington;
Mr H Smith (nephew) Donington,
Mrs W Gray (aunt) Donington;
Mr and Mrs J Gray (uncle and aunt) Metheringham;
Mr and Mrs G Harrison (cousin) North Kyme;
Mr G Gray, Mr Eric Gray and Mrs Winter of Great Hale.
Mr and Mrs T Gray

Any clues gratefully received....
Chezp

could Mr H Smith be HERBERT?

deb:)

[An65]

Re: William Gray and Sophia.

William Gray was b.1862 Navenby, s/o Abraham & Harriet.

Sophia Gray was b.cir 1860 Notts d/o Chris & Maria

[deb usa]

Hi An65

i have searched for Chris and Maria and like you could not see them ... I didn't know about Sophis b 1860 .... I was looking for these children ;

Dinah GRAY d/o Christopher Gray and maria
12 JUN 1842   Scredington, Lincoln

Frederick GRAY s/o Christopher Gray and Maria
26 MAY 1844   New Sleaford, Lincoln

Mary Ann Gray d/o Christopher and Maria
12 APR 1837   Leasingham, Lincoln

Henry GRAY s/o Christopher and Maria
31 MAR 1839   Metheringham, Lincoln

Thomas GREY s/o Christopher and Maria
APR 1846   Waddington, Lincoln

did they have more in between Thomas and Sophia?

deb