Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[Chezp]

HI
Just going back to Deb's suggestion that maybe the reason I couldn't find Fred's birth with Henry and Ellen as parents was because Henry had been married before - well I went on FreeReg last night and tried  to find the children of Henry and Ellen. (I'd heard the site has been updated over the bank holiday weekend so I thought I'd try again. You can imagine the numbers involved for SMITH !). I narrowed it down to just Henry as father.

Anyway, had trouble finding most of them BUT don't know if this is relevant or if I'm going completely off the rails  - of the two I did find within reasonable dates were these:


Charles Frederick Smith bpt Feb 1863, Christ Church, Radford, Notts, son of Henry Smith and Ann Stuart. Their abode Park Side, Radford, Notts, Father's occupation Lace merchant

and

Charlotte Smith bpt May 1868, St Mary's, Newark, daughter of Henry and Ann Smith. Their abode Water La?? (Lane?) Newark. Father's occupation labourer.

and just to confuse matters more there was a Harriette Smith within her dates d/o Henry Charles Smith and Mary Allen in George St Radford. He was a shoe manufacturer.

So to confirm or eliminate I now think I need to know what sort of area Park Side Radford was in the 1860s - ie an actual road or land. Also would lace merchant be a traveller's job does anyone know, or would it be shop based - and in Newark,  Water Lane?... and my henry later was selling tinware which is a bit different to lace.

What do you think? Coincidence ? 

Chez

[deb usa]

hi Edwina

Ummmm .... what if Henry and Dinah didn't marry til later? (still looking for the elusive marriage  )

I have found this birth;
Frederick Grey sept q 1864 Horncastle  vol 7a p 487

deb 

[deb usa]

Hi

An extracted IGI entry
Christopher Smith s/o Henry and Ellen
07 JUL 1874   North And South Hykeham, Lincoln

this could be the reg;
Christopher Smith sept q 1874 Lincoln
vol 7a p 478

deb

[deb usa]

Frederick 1862 Horncastle m Annie LUESBY b Donnington (my gt grandparents later lived Great Hale, nr Sleaford)
Barthwell/Bartholomew 1867 Belton Forest (m) Eliza Ann THURLBY . He was known as Uncle Barthy to my grandmother and her sisters and he died 1923 at Donington but that's all I know of him.

Hi I wonder if his marriage cert may help with names...

Bartholomew Smith June q 1900 Spalding  Lincolnshire
Eliza Thurlby 1900 Jyne q  Spalding  Lincolnshire 
vol 7a p 836

1901
Donington, Church Street
Bartholomew Smith head mar 30 ag lab b Stamford Rutland
Eliza Ann wife 19 b Lincolnshire, Ostourby?
Alice may dau 7 months b Donington
Christopher Smith brother Single 24 ag lab b North Hykeham

ummmm .... where is Barthy in 1891?

deb

[An65]

The Baptism of Christopher Smith s/o Henry & Ellen is extremely interesting, because my Grt Grandad Ambrose Grays birth certificate states he was born in Nth Hykeham on 1873.

Ambrose was the grandson of Christopher Gray and Maria Smith.

Furthermore, Christopher Gray died in 1869, which could be a clue as to the name the parents chose.....

[An65]

Bertha Smith d/o Henry & Ellen bapt 13,06.1866 Billingborough Lincs (IGI)

[deb usa]

hi

An65 ... Will see if I can spot more.

I wonder if this is Barthy in 1891 ....

High street, Sleaford, Huckington
Felix Gray mar 48 horse dealer and publican b Lincs Navenby
Lydia gray wife 46 b Bourne
Thomas Gray son 22 horse dealer  and groom b Bourne Lincs
Lydia Beeton? Weeton 12 niece b Moulton Chapel
Kate beeton 10 niece b Great Hale
Kate Kine? 16 General Servant b South Kyme
BARTLEY SMITH 27 servant ostler groom b Lincoln

deb

[An65]

Poss I guess - thats Phoenix Gray married Lydia Newberry.

Modification here:

I should add that Phoenix Gray was s/o Charles Gray and Lydia Elliott, and BROTHER of Abraham Gray who married Harriet (Traynett) Smith the d/o Matthew aka Bathwell and Charlotte.

[deb usa]

Blimey ... so confusing ...

I wonder if Barthwell Smith (186?) was registered as Matthew?


I need to reread again ...

deb

added ...still need to find Dinah who remarried to ??Elliott in the 1891 census , I think