Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[mongojoby]

Well spotted Deb,

If Herbert Smith is indeed Fred's nephew, then it is possibility that he could be the son of mourner Mr E Smith (brother) at the funeral.  It doesn't seem to obviously fit that he would be the son the three other brothers we definitely know about, based on their circumstances in 1901 (although of course both Barthy and Christopher could both have fathered a child at that time) and there is the Donington link.  

[An65]

Christopher Gray and Maria Smith

c.05.02.1815 Thurlby By Bourne Lin s/o Thomas & Charlotte Christopher  married Maria Smith (05.09.1836 at Rauceby) d/o William Smith and Ann Elliot c.30.03.1817 Willoughby On The Wolds Notts.

Christopher was killed in an accident with a runaway horse and gig on the eve of Brigg Fair at Wrawby (by Brigg) 07.08.1869. Maria lived until 1875, and was buried in Heckington 19.04.1875.

Their children Were:

Mary Ann c.12.04.1837 Leasingham Lincs married Clark Gray s/o Charles & Charlotte.

Henry c.21.03.1839 Metheringham buried 23.04.1839 Metheringham.

Dinah (aka Ellen) c.12.04.1842 Scredington married Henry Smith and later Francis Elliot s/o Edward and Martha (he in turn being brother of Ann Elliot who married Wm Smith).

Frederick c.26.05.1844 Sleaford believed to have died 1932 at Boston. He married Angelina.

Thomas c.19.04.1846 Waddington m.1870 Abigail Gray d/o Charles & Charlotte.

Samuel c.30.04.1848 Branston Lin (always gave place of birth as Metheringham on Census) married Deliah Smith b.1848 Ludborough d/o Thomas Smith and Mary Brown. these are my grt x2 grandparents. They were married 1871 at Horncastle.

Deliah c.1849 (damaged record) Branston (no other info)

Francis c.21.07.1850 Ancaster married Jane

Abraham c.21.08.1856 Billinghay married Martha

William c.29.08.1856 Billingborough (no other info poss same person as Abraham)

Sophia b.cir 1860/1 Willoughby or Eastwood Notts married
William Gray s/o Abraham & Harriet.

[deb usa]

hi  


I wonder if this birth cert may help

Eric Gray 1904 Sept q    Sleaford
7a 468

There was an Eric Gray at the funeral

deb

sorry An65 ...will reread 

[An65]

John Elliot c.1800 Willoughby On The Wolds married Lydia Newberry/Newborough and had:

Charlotte c.1839 Castle Bytham, who married Charles Gray c.1839 Harmston Lin s/o Charles Gray and Lydia Elliot (sis of John c.1808 Willoughby).


Charles & Lydia also had:

John b.cir 1833 Brauncwell married Eliza

Abraham c.1835 Kyme Lin married Harriet/Trainette Smith

Clarke c.1838 Coleby married Mary Ann Gray d/o Chris & Maria

Frederick c.1839 Tattershall married Mary

Joseph (cant find data) married Mary Ann Newberry/Newborough.

William c.1842 Bentry ? or Burton married Mary Ann Elliot

Phoenix c.1842 Harmston married Lydia Newberry/Newborough

Emily c.1843 Wellingore married James Bond
 
Abigail c.1847 Billinghay married Thomas Gray s/o Chris & Maria.

[An65]

The convolutions with 1st cousin etc marriages of this tree make my eyes bleed........

[Chezp]

Hello.
Where do you get all this information from so quickly?

This is my first venture into a "live" forum like this and you've uncovered.... or should I say unravelled.  so much and I've spent ages going round in circles!

This may or may not help as it is later dates but as we are mentioning more and more Grays, it is another connection with the GRAY family -

 On the Gray side, I have a photo of "Shep" Gray of Great Hale, nr Heckington, Lincs who, according to my mum, "Uncle Shep" had a "shop or maybe a mobile shop" around the village circa 1940s. It was in my grandmother's photos , also via my Smith family, namely my gt aunt Mary Grimes (nee Smith) helped look after the children of Tom and Mary Gray  in Great Hale.

I've just gone back through my file on Gray and because of this info I'd been in touch with Tom  and Mary's grandson so, I think I've now identified Eric Gray the E Gray on Fred Smith's obituary - his nephew (T & M's grandson) sent me details of Eric Gray b 1904 d 1986, son of Tom and Mary nee Waddington. (Tom born 1868 and Mary b 1870). info on the other siblings but I don't want to lose track  on my Smiths right now - I'm lost enough already! 

[An65]

Oh I didnt pick up the info quickly. Ive been tracing them for the past 18 years 

[deb usa]

 
Among the 1928 mourners for Fred Smith I can't identify are:

Mr E Smith, Donington (brother);
Mrs W Smith (sister-in-law) Donington;
Mr H Smith (nephew) Donington,
Mrs W Gray (aunt) Donington;
Mr and Mrs J Gray (uncle and aunt) Metheringham;
Mr and Mrs G Harrison (cousin) North Kyme;
Mr G Gray, Mr Eric Gray and Mrs Winter of Great Hale.
Mr and Mrs T Gray

Any clues gratefully received....
Chezp

could Mr H Smith be HERBERT?

deb:)

okay so hopefully we have identified a few more mourners;
Mr H Smith nephew = Herbert
Eric Smith = s/o Tom and Mary (Waddington)


do you have a Florence Gray anywhere in the family ... found this marriage: There is a Mrs Winter who is a mourner. Found a Florence d/o Ambro? and Harriet
Florence B Gray Jun q 1916 spouse =Winter  Peterborough 
Walter W WinterJune q  1916  spouse= Gray  Peterborough

Mr and Mrs T Gray ... perhaps Tom and Mary Gray parents of Eric

deb

 

[Chezp]

Hi Deb.
I can't see a Florence Gray in the info I have. For Tom and Mary Gray's children born between 1894 and 1906 I have: Felix, Clark, Hugh, Tom, William, Lydia, Leslie, Sidney, Eric and Ernest. (just realised that is a second E so the E Gray could be either Eric or Ernest).

Chez