Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[deb usa]

1901

Louth
in Caravan
Brackenborough rd
Frank ELLETT mar 71 horse dealer stable b Lincs Candlesby
Ellen wife 68 Scredington
Herbert SMITH grandson 7 b Louth

deb 

[An65]

There was a family called Robinson who were travellers, but I only know of one set of names. James and Whisby Robinson (nee Smith) They were certainly having children in the Lincs area. There was Charles 1826 Scrivelsby Lin, Onan (female) 1827 Hawerby cum Beesby, and Repentance 1828 Doddington On Bain. There was also a son, Sampson b.cir 1830 Norfolk or Suffolk.

The link is probably with Whisby Smith........?

[mongojoby]

You've done some impressive stuff there Deb, that 1901 return with grandson Herbert Smith is a great find!

I guess it would make semse if Ellen and Henry never married, seeing as there is no obvious record.  

Cheryl, perhaps it would be worth investing in Henry's death certificate as if it mentions Ellen there is a chance it might mention it, if indeed they wern't married?  There is only one record that fits based on his MI; Henry Smith 40 July-Aug-Sept Sleaford 7a 259.

Regards, Jo

[deb usa]

Hi Jo

Thanks for that  I wonder who Herbert belongs to?

deb

[mongojoby]

I can't say I fancy our chances of finding out atleast until the 1911 census is available!  With Francis and Sarah having so many girls and the Elliott/ Smith family links there must be a good chance that one of them married a Smith, on top of the potential for it to be Ellen's grandson. 

Still it provides another lead, which you never know could proide the crucial link to bring everything together later on!

[deb usa]

Hi again

Just found this on the 1851

Spalding, deanery of South Holland

Christopher Smith unm lodger 19 hawker of tapes, cottons b Donington (transcribed Dorrington)
Charlotte Smith unm 20                  ditto
C Smith (female) 15 unm                 ditto
lodging with a few hawkers of tape, a skinner, brazier and a grinder


Now your Christopher s/o Bathwell and Charlotte was bapt 23 FEB 1834   Brothertoft, Lincoln, extracted.
but there is also a Charlotte Smith d/o Matthew Smith and Charlotte bapt 01 JUL 1832   Bicker, Lincoln, extracted and
Constance Smith d/o Matthew Smith and Charlotte bapt  20 MAR 1836   Caythorpe, Lincoln, extracted ...she could be the female C Smith  above ...

what do you think?
 
I wonder if they are other siblings??

deb

[An65]

found that one a while back and came to exactly the same conclusion....

[deb usa]

An65 

I have been ;ooking for Harriet/Trainette in 1851 and 1841 ...to no avail , also Barthy/Matthew and Charlotte are nowhere to be seen ...arrghhhh

I did find an older Christiana Smith with son, Thomas Lovell ...are they yours/

deb

[An65]

Harriet/Tranette Smith bapt 1838 Quarrington d/o Matthew & Charlotte.

Sarah and Christopher c/o Bathwell & Charlotte, Harriet/Tranette Constance and Charlotte c/o Matthew & Charlotte thats all I have on that fam.

BUT I would say its FAR more likely Henry Smith related to these being born in 1842 than to William and Ann who would have been too old.....

No idea about Christiana Smith and Thomas Lovell BUT both could well be Romany.