Henry SMITH and Dinah Ellen GRAY

[An65]

Wisdom Smith c.1763 Steeple Claydon
Married Hannah Smith 1782 Bletchington Ox.

They had Bethania in 1800 (married William Gray & James Mobbs)

Tabitha in 1803 (married William Gray)

Salome in 1807 (married William Smith)

Wisdom (married 1) Esther Smith in 1813 2) Maria Ellet (Elliot) in 1818 3) Amy Haywood in 1853.)

Salvino in 1798

Lissy b. 1793

Nathaniel in 1792 married Prudence

Eunice or Unity in 1791 married James Smith

Edward in 1786 married Sarah

and Robert in 1794 married Evening (Smith?)

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Next Gen

Wisdom Smith & Maria Had:

Wisdom 1818 married Hannah Smith b.1822 the daughter of William Smith and Ann Elliot
Hercules 1821
Offa (female) 1923
Maria 1826 married Riley Smith Birch
Abigail 1829 married William Newberry/Newborough
Matilda 1831

James Smith and Eunice/Unity had:

William b.1815 married Mausolina Heron/Hearn
Wisdom b.1812 married 1) Eliza Boswell (in 1831) and 2) Hannah Smith d/o Mendoza & Ann

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Next Generation

Wisdom Smith and Eliza Boswell had:

Wisdom Smith b.1934 married Priscilla Bagley.

[Chezp]

Hi everyone.

Babygirl101 kindly send me a copy of the newspaper report and yes Deb, that's the right family you found there on the census  but reading the report I don't think it is Brownetta's family unfortunately.

It says the murder victim, Lucy wife of gypsy Charles Smith, was a native of Tetsworth, Oxfordshire and her maiden name was Austin. Charles Smith had several relatives in Oxfordshire, a sister at Marston, another at Headington Quarry "and a third, who is dead, was the wife of Mr Wisdom Smith of Barton near Headington" so I don't think that's Brownetta although I just g**gled the distance between Cold Higham and Headington and it is 38 miles.

If anyone, looking at what An65's just posted, it could be he is the brother of Hannah Smith d/o Mendoza & Ann as they look closest in birthdates. Charles Smith b1814 she c1812 maybe if she's similiar in age to her husband Wisdom born 1812. Just a guess...

By the way, Albert is called "Prince Albert  Smith" according to his sister who is named both Oceana and Oshey Smith in the report if its any help to anyone following this line.

It was a fascinating read whatever... thanks babygirl101

Chez

[An65]

Hannah Smith w/o Wisdom and d/o Mendoza and Ann was c.1817 Boston

[An65]

There are 2 Wisdoms associated with Headington Quarry Ox, according to the IGI.

Wisdom Smith married Priscilla Bagley there in 1860..... and their child, Wisdom c.1854 Charlton On Otmoor Ox, married Harriet Tolley there in 1875. This is assuming that the Wisdom of Charlton On Otmoor became associated with Headington Quarry....

[deb usa]

Blimey An65

You have so much info ...how fabulous ....

Going back to the beginning of the thread ... I am wondering if Chez has ordered any birth certs of Henry/harry Smith b c 1842 ...

with him not having 'married' Dinah Ellen Gray (she being a spinster when marrying Francis elliot), we don't have a marriage cert. I still wonder if he didn't marry the Patchett girl .... will have to reread to find the marriage ref ... that cert may well be worth ordering.

deb

[An65]

there are so many ppl trying to work out the wisdom smith line its unreal......... honest and even I cant work it all out...

[babygirl101]

Hi folks

Just thought i'd throw this snippet into the arena, I must admit I can't recall if I've posted it before or not heho! It's a newspaper article I came across about Wisdoms funeral:-

"The Prince of the Gypsies"  The funeral of "The Prince of the Gypsies" - Wisdom Smith, aged 76, took place at Essendine, Rutland, on the 4th Inst. About one hundred of the wandering tribe were present at the ceremony, and a large concourse of peasantry from the adjacent villages also joined the burial train.  The dark faced outcasts, in projecting this spectacle, were wiser in their generation than the simple rustics among whom they had pitched their tents;  they secured a 'comfortable coffin' for their patriarch by assuring the joiner that the princes son was worth thousands and would come from the north to take the place of the chief mourner in the funeral obsequecies. The also duped other small trademen by telling them that the wealthy heir would pay for everything in a princely manner! Every man, woman and child, of the crafty race, had however disappeared like a mist before the morning succeeded the cermony and the tradesmen were unpaid".

Extract from The  Lincolnshire Mercury 5th May 1839.


This ties in with the info on Free BMD giving Wisdoms death as June 1/4 1839, Stamford. Has anyone actually seen a copy of his death certificate I wonder?

BG

[Chezp]

Hi

Deb, I've ordered Henry's/Harry's  death certificate but am at a loss to where he was born. Eagle is one location mentioned, Carlton was another I think

I've looked on FreeBMD for possible births and for 1842 there are 2 at Boston, 2 Louth, 2 Derby, 1 Bourne, 1 Holbeach, 1 Newark so all within reasonable reach. I don't know which one to go for.  Any ideas anyone If I could narrow it down a bit I don't mind ordering two or three to find the right one but the odds are a little high at the moment.

Chez

[mongojoby]

If I were going to start anywhere, Chez I'd start with the Louth ones- as it seems to have been on the route of travellers in the area.

However it were me, I wouldn't order any certificates yet, the common name, the changing birth locations (and ones that a sizable distance apart) and the unconfirmed age (the census returns seem to imply it is far from clear cut when he was born) make it a nightmere to identify him (similar to my problems tracking down Mary Ann Smith and I haven't touched a birth certificate yet).

You can't assume he was born in 1842 either- his date of death was 30th June, so IF he was 40 when he died  there is an equal chance he was born in 1841.

Perhaps we we could try to eliminate some of the records, by looking for Henry Smith's of the right age living in that registration district, on later censuses?  However with the details being as they are not sure how far that will get us.