Thanks,
Thomas is born in the country. I have sent an e-mail to the registrar in Rotherham but the Rotherham district looks quite big and split up - depending on where in the district they were married, the records could be in Sheffield or Rotherham - still its a start! I have several references to Eleanor born in York and there is a family that "fits the bill" but can't be sure! Fathers name could be John Wise and Mother Charlotte.
Ultimitly I am after identifying the right family for Thomas - there are a number of near possibilities in Hull but nothing fits well - I suspect he is from elsewhere (I suspect Nth Yorkshire or Durham)