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Offline The Geneal Geologist

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Killed by Lions
« on: Friday 15 August 08 18:38 BST (UK) »
Here's a story -
A couple of orphans in my family tree are alleged to have resulted from the death of their parents directly and indirectly by lions. Joseph PHILLIPS (a musician) died of a heart attack in a circus ring while performing with lions. His wife Ellen PHILLIPS died in the ring when she put her head in a lion's mouth as part of an act. Incidents would have happened between 1858 (last child's birth)and the 1871 census.
Any circus experts who may have clues on whether we can kind find this to be true or not? I have searched online Times but obviously their deaths did not warrant a report. They were married in Worcestershire (the children left with Rels in Dodford near Bromsgrove). Of course, as part of circus act they could have been anywhere in England when the incidents happened.

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 August 08 19:58 BST (UK) »
Can you narrow the time down a bit more by finding them in the 1861 census?

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 August 08 20:00 BST (UK) »
Its an amazing story if its true.
NASH - Warwicks, Worcs
VICKERS - Gloucs, Warwicks
SHELDON - Warwicks
BELCHER - Gloucs
TRACEY - Gloucs
TAYLOR - Staffs, Warwicks
BALL - Staffs, Warwicks
HEATH - Gloucs

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 August 08 20:05 BST (UK) »
Reminds me of the story of the son of a notable Pembrokeshire landed family who was killed while in India.  Arrangements were made to send his remains home.  When the large crate arrived, it was found to contain a tiger in an advanced state of decomposition.  A telegram was despatched to the shipping agents in India seeking an explanation.  It was brief.  "Tiger in box, Sahib in tiger."


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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 August 08 20:08 BST (UK) »
Finding their death certificates would obviously help - here's a possibility for Ellen (bearing in mind the Bromsgrove connection):

Ellen PHILLIPS Dec 1859 Bromsgrove 6c 255

I agree that finding the children in 1861, with or without parents, would help narrow down death dates.

Hope it's true - it's a great story :)

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 August 08 11:23 BST (UK) »
I will post back any findings. Thanks all.
A relative, who is more on the direct line, will follow up the death possibility. Hopefully cause of death will be explicit, if true.
Appreciate the assistance and any other suggestions.

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 August 08 11:33 BST (UK) »
I'm sure Rootschatters would be only too delighted to help find the family in 1861, given a bit more info (e.g. names of children; birthdates/places for family members; census ref for 1871).

Anna :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 August 08 07:58 BST (UK) »
Sadly that Ellen PHILLIPS was not the one according to my source. If he provides more, I will pass on.
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Re: Killed by Lions
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 August 08 08:11 BST (UK) »
I had a look at Gales British Newspapers betwen dates mentioned i.e. 1858 to 1871. Searched for both their names, including just their surnames with circus and/or lion.

Sorry, nothing found.

Les
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