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Burns - Costello
« on: Saturday 09 August 08 22:51 BST (UK) »
Hi I am trying to trace my wifes family tree, and arrived in Mayo with Martin Burns born around 1848  who married a Bridget Costello born around 1850.  In about 1868 they moved to Rotherham, and had a number of children. The first was Thomas in 1869.

I found on this site a in 1832  Jno COSTELLO married to Bridget CHRISTOPHER April 1

Could this have been her mother and father?.

I noticed that there are not many Burns in this area?


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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 August 08 23:07 BST (UK) »
You can't assume any kind of a relationship without more proof. First of all there are variations in spelling- Burns, Burnes, Byrnes, etc. Then, you have to know where these individuals lives (parish if not townland not just the county).
Costello is another very common surname in Ireland and the Christian name Bridget is even more common (St. Bridget is one of the patron saints of Ireland and long been a popular name for Catholic girls).
Civil registration of births in Ireland began 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for Bridget Costello. If she and Martin were married in a Catholic ceremony before 1864 in Ireland there will be no civil registration of their marriage. In those cases you need to search for church records (if they exist).
Not sure why you think there weren't many families named Burns in Co. Mayo. In IGI (using Burns and Co. Mayo) there are 179 records for Burns- and only a small portion of Irish records are actually in IGI.
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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 August 08 23:25 BST (UK) »
Hi thanks for the reply.

On her sons Birth Cert it said "Mayo Ireland" for where the mother was born.

On the name Burns, there are none listed on the Marriage page on this site. I looked on another site thinking I would see lots of Burns, but found none. On the 1881 English census the family is called Bryne, but not on the 1871, 1891 or the 1901.

I do not have proof that is why i asked the question

I found on this site a in 1832  Jno COSTELLO married to Bridget CHRISTOPHER April 1

Could this have been her mother and father. He had her name, and his wife had her first name.

I was hoping that somebody may have them in their family tree.

Martin and Bridget would have been married after 1864, as she would have been only 14 then.

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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 August 08 00:10 BST (UK) »
If the marriage (Michael and Bridget) took place after 1864 then the marriage certificate should list the names and occupations of both fathers. It will also show residences of bride and groom at the time of the marriage.

Not sure what sites you are refering to here:
On the name Burns, there are none listed on the Marriage page on this site. I looked on another site thinking I would see lots of Burns, but found none. On the 1881 English census the family is called Bryne, but not on the 1871, 1891 or the 1901.
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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 00:21 BST (UK) »
Hi,
This looks like them on Free BMD

March quarter  1868 Rotherham vol 9c pg 582

Martin Byrne and Bridget Costello

that certificate should give more information as aghadowey states. However as they married in Rotherham you won't get the Irish information you need.
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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 10:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Heywood. The information I posted was for Irish marriage certificates but if they married in england there will be no details of where they came from in Ireland on the certificate.
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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 10:34 BST (UK) »
Hi thanks for that.
I have sent off for the marriageCert, and it may show me something, as on one of her sons it says from Mayo Ireland for Bridget.

We were told they came over from Ireland and were married in Ireland.

It will show me the fathers names, so i will know if it is the ones I asked about on my first post.

On the English census they changed their surname every time !!!
from Burns, to Byrne, to Bines, and back to Burns.

Thanks for the help, and will report back when I get the Cert which they are posting on 19th Aug.


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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 10:59 BST (UK) »
Marriage certificate should give the father's name but you still won't know the mother's name thus can't be sure if the record you found (1832 marriage) are actually for Bridget's parents. All the names (Burns, Costello, John, Bridget) are very common in Ireland.
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Re: Burns - Costello
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 12:01 BST (UK) »
Like they say "it is another stone in the wall" :)

I found on this site a in 1832  Jno COSTELLO married to Bridget CHRISTOPHER April 1

It may just give me both these surnames.