WILLIAM GREAVES 1852 NEWICK

[Valda]

A possible death registration

Deaths Dec 1853  
Greves  Christiana     Lewes  2b 81

Newick registers in Lewes registration district.

Regards

Valda

[CaroleW]

Hi

I found the entry for 1861 on freecen

Thank heaven for freecen because we would never have found them on Ancestry

There is no transcription on Ancestry for the freecen reference and I have looked through all the Newick entries but neither Sarah Budgen or William are shown

[Valda]

In possible fairness to Ancestry there is no index for RG6 585 folio 125 page 12 because page 12 is missing on the microfilm as shown by Ancestry - it skips from page 11 to page 13. Either that is Ancestry's fault or the original photographers error in skipping a page when photographing the enumerator's book.
To know you would have to know Freecen's original source and/or whether the same problem exists on other 1861 census indexes such as at Origins, or Findmypast.

Regards

Valda

[MalGordon]

You girls are absolutely brilliant. A quick synopsis of the information you have gathered for me:

1841 Census Morgage Row, Newick.
James Budgin 40
Sarah Budgin 40
Christian Budgin 7
James Budgin 5.

1851 Census Rough, Newick.
Sarah Budgen 56, Widow.
Jane Budgen 27
James Budgen 15.

75 West Street, Brighton
Thomas Bryer 46
Mary Bryer 50
Christina Budgen 19
William Greaves 18

1853 Death Newick
Christiana Greves (Age unknown)

1861 Census Chailey
Sarah Budgen 64 Widow
William Greaves 8 grandson.

There are quite some possibilities here. The ages for 1841 were rounded down so it would seem there is a strong likelihood that Sarah is the same in the three census returns, although there is a 2 year discrepancy in the middle.

Christian could conceivably be Christina and Christiana, allowing for the poor literacy standard of the time. Similarly the changing of the name from Budgin to Budgen could be a spelling error.

Having a Christina Budgen and William Greaves residing at the same residence seems a very big coincidence. The death of Christiana Greves in 1853 also adds weight to William aged 8 living with his grandmother, with his DOB approximately 1852. Unfortunately the entry on FreeBDM does not give an age at death.

I know I am seeing things here that have not yet been proved but hopefully with a little more digging, I will be able to say yea or nay.

Once again thank you for your efforts, this site has amazing people as members, and nothing seems to be a problem to assist other searchers.

Possibly another visit to the local LDS centre is in order to search their records.

Cheers from Australia.

Gordon.

[Eyesee]

In case the BUDGEN line is the right one

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Newick, East Sussex, 12 Oct 1832
James BUDGEN, bach
Sarah HARLAND, sp botp (B)
Extra Info: w: Lydia & Jn MARTIN Jas EDWARDS

The Elizabeth ?arland in 1841 was probably a HARLAND

Ian C

[MalGordon]

I am awaiting the wedding certificate of William and Frances Dobson, in 1875, so hopefully that may also shed some light on this.

[MalGordon]

I found a link to Sussex Weald

http://www.thesussexweald.org/a21.asp?QId=20512120&astart=184999999&aend=999999999

but unfortunately I could not find any information on there for any of the names I am seeking. I presume that this is a continuing work in progress and not all of the myriad of registers would have been transcribed.

[MalGordon]

I have just received the copy of the wedding certificate of February 7, 1875 of William Greaves and Frances Ann Dobson.  It does not provide much more information, however the groom's father is shown as William, occupation labourer. The bride's father is shown as John, occupation carpenter.  Frances Ann is shown as being 17 years of age.

I was fairly certain that I had identified the correct Frances, but have just been checking again and have found differing dates. Southtyneside register office shows the birth in 1858. IGI and FreeBMD both have 1859 (IGI 21 February, 1859). I assume that all of these records have been transcribed from official records. Can someone suggest which would be the more reliable? The 1859 dates  do not correspond with the age on the wedding certificate.

The bride was apparently illiterate as she signed with an "x" on the certificate.

[Valda]

7th April 1861 census
RG9 3796 folio 53
Pelaw Main Hedworth, Monkton and Jarrow (South Shields Registration district)
John Dobson 44 Head Married Shipwright Dunston Durham
Elizabeth Dobson 37 Wife Married Gateshead Durham
Margaret Dobson 10 Daughter Bill Quay Durham
Isabella Dobson 7 Daughter Bill Quay Durham
Mary Dobson 4 Daughter Bill Quay Durham
Frances A Dobson 2 Daughter Pelaw Main

Since a birth has 6 weeks in which it can be registered a birth at the end of the year may be indexed in the subsequent next year's quarter of the GRO. The GRO index is made up from the local registrars' returns. The local registrar had to send their returns to the General Registry Office.

FreeBMD transcribed from the GRO index
Births Mar 1859   
DOBSON  Frances Ann     S Shields  10a 491

So this birth could be in the months of November, December 1858 or January, February or March 1859. Without obtaining the certificate it isn't possible to know.

Baptisms do not always take place immediately after the birth of the baby. There is no birthdate given on this entry only the baptism date. This baptism took place in Gateshead about 3 miles away from Pelaw.

Frances Ann Dobson   
Christening:  21 FEB 1859   Gateshead, Durham
Father:  John Dobson   
Mother:  Elizabeth Frances Dobson 

The South Shields registration reference maybe based on the date of birth of the child and or the local date of registration, or just the former or just the latter.

1858
Frances Ann DOBSON Register: 23 Entry: 498 District: SS/Jarrow.A

Regards


Valda