John Spilsbury convict sent to NSW

[Treelover]

Hi Cazay,

That is a most generous offer.  Thank you so much.

Joan

[Cazay]

Hi Joan 

Today at the library I searched the Convict Deaths and found nothing for John Spilsbury.

Also, searched Ticket of Leave/Pardons 1810-1875 without result.

Found this, although no guarantee that it is your John Spilsbury

Colonial Secretary's Correspondence 1832-1842
John Spilsbury (Windsor), page 287, Shelf 4/3683, Reel 1050.......there was nothing for the later years.

Most of the other names had ship and year but this entry only had Windsor, which is probably the area where he was.

I can only suggest that you get in touch with NSW State Records giving them all the relevant information you hold for John Spilsbury and see if they hold any further information for him. They may suggest that you employ a researcher so the NSW bdm website has a link to the transcription agents who can arrange this. You could probably ask for a quote.

The ship Eden lists how many convicts embarked and arrived in Australia.  There was one that didn't make it so I hope it wasn't John Spilsbury.

Not much help but there must be something to be found somewhere.

Cazay

[Treelover]

HI Cazay,

Never mind, thank you once again for your time and trouble.

Joan

[kennett]

Now John Spilsbury died at Wellington NSW in 1878,   purported aged 90.   So very likely to have been a convict.

This John Spilsbury was supposedly the father of Henry Spilsbury,  who married Martha and had a number of children and lived at Wellington NSW,    and also of John Spilsbury who married Catherine McDonald and lived at Hartley NSW,   and also of Margaret Spilsbury who married Charles Lee and lived at Windsor NSW and died at Mudgee NSW.

And this John Spilsbury who died in 1878,  I think was a convict,  a long time before 1840.   Particularly as he appears to have married a woman called Eliza Stafford in Sydney in 1831,     and she was probably his second wife,    as his children would appear to have been born before that.

[sparrett]

Hi Kennett,
Would you let us know please the sources for the information you are posting for Treelover.

I do note, by the way, there are some public trees on Ancestry which include men of the name JOHN SPILSBURY.

However, I do not see BMD certificates scanned and attached there. This lack of documented support always opens questions and doubts about the accuracy of family trees.


Sue

 

[giblet]

Now John Spilsbury died at Wellington NSW in 1878,   purported aged 90.   So very likely to have been a convict.

The above John is way to old. He would have been born around 1788.

There are 4 deaths for John Spilsbury's in NSW alone up to 1920 and that doesnt include any alterations to the spelling of the last name.

10205/1878    SPILSBURY    JOHN    AGE 90 YEARS    DIED WELLINGTON    WELLINGTON     
9768/1884    SPILSBURY    JOHN H    HENRY    LOUISA    MOREE     
2463/1865    SPILSBURY    JOHN D    HENRY    MARTHA    BOURKE     
7284/1873    SPILSBURY    JOHN    JOHN    MARTHA    WELLINGTON 

[kennett]

The John H Spilsbury who died at Moree in 1884,  parents Henry Spilsbury and Louisa nee Gough,  was four years old,   and ( if he had lived longer ),  he would have been my great-aunt's brother-in-law.   He was one of their 13 or 14 children.

John D Spilsbury,  who died in 1865,  was an infant,  and the son of Henry and Martha Spilsbury,    one of eight of their children.    I believe they had more than eight children,  as the first was born the year after their marriage,   and the next registered child was not until about 8 years later.  In my long experience,  registration in that region and era was eratic.

John Spilsbury who died at Wellington in 1873 was the husband of Catherine or Kathleen McDonald,   and also the son of John Spilsbury  and a different Martha Spilsbury.   He was outlived by his father,   the alleged 90-year-old who died at the same place in 1878.    The Alexander Spilsbury who died at Brisbane in 1841 was a son of this John and Catherine Spilsbury.

The origin of my great-aunt's father-in-law,  Henry Spilsbury (1853-1840) of Moree and Windsor is obscure.   Because of this,  I have made some study of ALL of the Spilsbury's in NSW and Queensland prior to World War 2.   There appear to be only three families of them.  The family of James and Harriet Spilsbury, arrived 1834, and their descendants,  many of whom were in the newspaper business.   The family of Richard and Susannah Spilsbury,  arrived in 1856.   And the family of John Spilsbury,  supposedly born about 1788.      It is my opinion that Margaret Spilsbury, who married Charles Lee at Windsor in 1840,  and John Spilsbury,  who married Catherine McDonald at Mudgee in 1847,   and Henry Spilsbury,  who married Martha Ferguson at Wellington in 1853,  are all the children of this alleged John Spilsbury born about 1788.   After reaching this conclusion,   I came across a  purported tree on the internet posted by someone who had reached the same conclusion and also found another child of this John Spilsbury.

Most of these people are not even indirectly related to me.   I have investigated them to the extent necessary to verify whether Henry Spilsbury (1853-1940),  who IS indirectly related to me,   could plausibly be related to them.  The answer to this is,  no, he isn't,  so we still don't know exactly where Henry came from.

[kennett]

The above John is way to old. He would have been born around 1788.

How is a person who ( according to the age claimed when they died )  was born around 1788,   "too old"  to have been a convict to New South Wales ?

[NSWP]

Famous name Spilsbury, Prof Spilsbury was a pioneer in Post Mortem Examination in England, late 1800's?

I think he dealt with the Ripper Victims.