HUTCHINS Tir Phyl Gelligaer

[colinhutchins]

My Great grandfather Moved from Abingdon area (then Berkshire now Oxon) during the 1880s with his young wife (that is married at 16 and producing babes every 18 months)
His name was Frederick HUTCHINS and I have a record of his death at Tyrphil in 1912 of influenza resulting in bronchial pneumonia.
I cannot find any record of his wifes ELLEN M Hutchins( b1859 Drayton Berks) death and would like to find out .
They had a lot of children including my grandfather JAMES b1890 all registered Pontlottyn but I have searched the Ancestry death records in vain and cannot find any record. they had a lot of children who only survived days and I wonder if she died in childbirth
She was alive in 1901 census along with these children
James       1890
Harriet      1877
Frederick  1878
Wyndham 1896
Naomi       1897
Emily         1888
Annie        1885
Mary         1884
Nellie        1885
Any help would be gratefully received

[Dannemois]

just a thought, do you know where Frederick was buried, maybe others are named on the stone?

[colinhutchins]

I have his death certificate but I may have to go to Tir phyl gelligaer to find his gravestone if the family could afford a stone that is
That will not be till the summer as my old bones suffer in this cold weather making it difficult to walk far

[Dannemois]

Hi Colin
Where were the family residing in 1901?

[colinhutchins]

this is from 1901 Census transcription registered as Hutchens
22 Railway Terrace
Gelligaer
Pontlottyn
Glamorgan

[colinhutchins]

St Tyfaelog district shown on census is this a church with a graveyard

[Dannemois]

Hi Colin

St. Tyfaelog is the parish church at Pontlottyn but sadly there is no graveyard.  In 1912, it would have been the old churches of Rhymney or Bedwellty that catered for the valley dead, some poor old souls had a fair journey.

There are two burial places to check in Rhymney.  The parish church of St. David, [I have made a search of burial indexes but sadly no Hutchins buried there]

The other is Rhymney Cemetery.  Caerphilly Council are responsible for this one.  If you live nearby then you can apply to the council offices and request a search of the burial registers.  You can contact them at publicservices@caerphilly.gov.uk

Hope this is of help

regards

Roy

[colinhutchins]

Thank you for that
Happy New Year

[D T]

Gelligear is not in Pontlottyn. It may have been in the parish then, but not anymore. It is village about 10 miles further down the Valley. There is a Railway Terrace in Fochriw, and this would come under Pontlottyn.
There is also a Railway Terrace in Tirphil and in Brithdir.

However,there is still a small graveyard in Pontlottyn, situated on Farm Road, and I think there might be some stones about 200 yards away, behind Chappel Street. There are also some stones on top of the mountain, to the right of Tirphil, but this is only viable with a 4x4.

Assuming this person lived in Tirphil, Brithdir, Phillipstown or New Tredegar at the time of their death, they could be buried in Brithdir or Bedwellty cemetry.  I wouldn't think they were buried in St Davids Church Rhymney, as this is a different parish. However, there are 2 other Cems in Rhymney. These are Carno and The Graig. I think the Graigs headstones have just been bulldozed by an unscrupolous property developer though.

I have probably confused you even more now...