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[davidpinkney]

right i have found my old notes.but this is all i have no details!!!mose penfold b.1829 married elizabeth collinson in 1849 in battersea.moses died in 1889.witnesses at the wedding were frances penfold and rosanna penfold.   they had a son robert penfold who married mary ann williams and they had a son who married amy ball. no dates i am afraid.oh then they had a son robert william penfold who married charity cooper who is something to do with the windsor coopers.her dad was alfred.    i have just made odd notes on all these to research as it happens now. christopher penfold who was born in somerset married patience gess and they ended up in battersea in 1891.i know they all tie together somehow   but that is the question.cathayb

Do you have the actual certificate for Moses Penfold and Elizabeth Collinson is it info from somewhere i can't find the reference on BMD for it?

[toni*]

here David

Hi

Marriage Richmond Surry Mar qtr 1849 4 367

Moses Penfond/Penfoud/Penfould
Elizabeth Collison

Claire 

[cathayb]

thanks toni.there was i going through all the pages looking for it and you had already posted it.that will tech me to read all the latest replies be fore i try and answer.cathayb

[CatOne]

This is Rebecca Penfold and family in 1841, in case they connect somehow with yours -

HO107/1045/11 Folio 17 Page 28
Gumshall? Shere, Surrey
George Penfold 55 Tanner All born in county
Mary 55 Y
John 25 Labourer
Samuel 15
Rachel 15
Rebekah 12
Hannah 11

1861 RG9/442 Folio 13 Page 21
Reigate Foreign, Surrey
Mary Penfold widow 71 Dressmaker Dorking
Rebecca 32 Dressmaker Shere

This seems to be the same Killicks in 1861 -

RG9/881 Folio 76 Page 1
Northfield Road, Henley on Thames, Oxfordshire
Eleanor J? Killick wife 31 Wife of a papermaker Henley on Thames
Walter W 15 Papermaker Shere
James 14 Scholar Shere
William 12 Scholar Upottery Devon
+ lodger Helena Shennan 71 ... Annuity Henley on Thames


Would this be Patience Gess and family?

1871 RG10/2120 Folio 136 Page 56
Caravan, St Andrew, Devon
Henry Gess 35 Travelling Brushseller? Lee Kent
Charlotte 32 Plymouth Devon
Elizth A 14     "
Joseph 12      "
Charlotte 10 Guernsey
Elizth 8 Plymouth
Henry 6     "
Eliza 4     "
Patience 2    "
John 8mo     "
+ boarder John Harris 20

A Smith family also in a caravan -
Henry (26 Traveller Norfolk?) and Eliza Smith (21 Yarmouth?) + children Edward (2 Plymouth) and Emma (5mo Plymouth)

Marriage -
Henry Gess and Charlotte Penfold December 1855 Plymouth 5b 476

Christopher Penfold and Patience Guest Sept 1864 Plymouth 5b 466

[cathayb]

this one married charlotte penfold and this henry sister i think was the one that married christopher penfold!her name was patience. henry and patience were the children of henry wilkins gess and rebbecca. this family were show poeple and somewhere along the line i know they marry into rosaire?rossiter/roser and wilson families from kent.they all appear together in the 1891 cencus in gurlings yard in middlesex.

[CatOne]

Christopher and Patience's daughter Patience is with grandparents Henry and Rebecca? Gess in 1881, in Wandsworth London. Henry is a retired Licensed Hawker

24 ..ardley Street, Wandsworth
RG11/659 Folio 136 Page 12

[cathayb]

thats the correct marriages.christopher penfold is child of john penfold and harriet james!!!he was born in devon(christopher).when you see this sort of thing its what makes me sure there are more connections between devon/kent/london roms.

[toni*]

1861
 RG9;  761; 122;  42;
Frimley Surrey
Returns for those NOT in houses


Tents  
Henry Hazard head mar 36 gipsies b. wantage herts
Diana wife 34 b. do. (all born do.)
William son 13
Ocean dau. 8
Job son 6
(all marked as gipsies)

Waggons
Thomas Cooper head mar 24 b. Surrey Certsey
Sarah wife ... basket sellers b. herts wantage
Nelson son 6 b. Middlesex Uxbridge
walter son 4 b. ascot berks
matilda dau. 6 months b. (sorry i cant read it)
(all marked as ... basket sellers)

Job Cooper head mar 30 b. surrey frimley
Selina wife 30 b. warwick (this would be Selina nee Lee)
Reshinda dau. 12 b. Oxon
Isabella dau. 9 b. berks
Sophia Buckland (no relationship given) widow 56 b. Oxon
Sabrina dau. 30 b. wawick claydon
Sabina dau. 15 b. Oxon
(all dittoed from ... basket sellers)

Nelson Cooper head mar 28 b. surrey frimley
General wife 26 b. berks
Emma dau 3  b. do.
Isiah son 6 b. do.
Ruth dau. 2 b. surrey
Rebecca dau 1 b. do.
Diana dau. 2 months b. do.
(all dittoed from ... basket sellers)


 

 i found this marriage pretty sure its related

 Dec 1850  
 
Cooper  Rising Thomas    Aylsham  13 51    


and then death

Sep 1881  
 
Cooper  Rissing Thomas  aged 56  Mile End  1c 332

 
 
 

[cathayb]

i have just spent nearly an hour going through james orchard births  and not one likely in devon can i find.what a let down.back to the drawing board.cathayb