cathayb,thanks for the reply,i dont know if you ve seen the messages ive left on discussion forum of gypsies passing through sitesince i wrote it,ive discovered a load more ancestors who appear to be gypsies,the names there are rossiter,knight,hogbin,barnett,bean,shilling,taylor,a thomas taylor rossiter and a richard cooper rossiter,also a lee and a church.theyre all connected to the stones/goldmiths etc.its stuff ive got from another GenesReunited member and havent had a chance to check census yet,but the occupations shes put down are hawker/drapery box maker/showman/musician/lodging house keeper/traveller in millinary/pedlar/tanner/licensed hawker/chimney sweep.ive got to go to supermarket now,but will post with more details when i get back.bye for now,nel.