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[cathayb]

it was emma smith joe kefford married but we dont know if she did marry smith(edward or not)his perants were eliza blackwell and anthony smith!!!!!emma was a grand daughter of sarah taylor who died with her son and grandson in the hartlake disaster in kent in 1852/53 i cant remeber which year.sorry to keep harping back to kent but i really believe the kent penfolds,the london penfolds and the devon penfolds will somhow connect somewhere

[CatOne]

The one born 1831 seems the closest match  


Do you have this?

1901 RG13/1562 Folio 86 Page 31
38 Livingstone Rd, Stratford, West Ham, Essex
Emma S Kefford widow 50 Provision Shop Keeper Brentford Middlesex
John Smith son in law mar 30 Waterside Labourer
Emma L Smith granddau 6 Bromley by Bow


Wouldn't Emma have married as Taylor if she never married Smith? 

[cathayb]

lets hope that someone who comes on this evening might have the marriage cert for lilley and joe kefford.

[cathayb]

no i havent got that one i dont think.was she widowed very soon after joejnr was born then?john smith son in law with i suppose his daughter emma?i know she had rosie smith married a chap called manning and jane who married gorge cooper and annie and 2 more who i forget the names of but i think they were boysoh and i think annie married a bentley.

[cathayb]

we have often wondered why she married as smith and not taylor but she did marry as smith.we think it might be to keep up appearances and make peopkle think her 5 smith kids were legitamate!we dont know she never married smith but we can find no record of his death or marriage to her.cause its smiths we fight shy abit.theres so many of them

[CatOne]

This must be Rose's marriage in 1916 -

Rose Smith June 1916 Edmonton 3a 1264
A "Joseph Manning" is on the same page

and Annie's?

Annie Smith Dec 1914 Edmonton 3a 1223
Grooms - Joseph Bentley or Henry T W Wallis


and Jane's?

Jane Smith Sept 1905 Brentford 3a 387
Grooms - George Cooper or Arthur Ardron

Trying to trace them on the censuses by guessing their locations/ages from when and where they married, not having much luck though 

[CatOne]

At last! Who's the other Emma Kefford in 1901 then that I found earlier? 

Joe Kefford 25 Traveller and Hawker Hertford
Emma 20 Staines
Joe 8mo Tottenham
Edward Smith relative 30 Abingdon
Janie Smith relative 25 Putney
Albert Smith relative 20 Kingston
Rosey Smith 15 relative Hounslow
Annie Smith 12 relative Willesden

Caravan Brook Street, Tottenham
RG13/1248 Folio 72 Page 78

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Are you looking for these two?

Marriages:

Joseph Kefford    Dec 1919   Brentford    3a    447

bride: Lilley  E  Ball

Found on FreeBMD


Nanny Jan

[cathayb]

lilley balls father was william ball and her mother was eliza(known as betty)cooper and her perants were vanslow cooper and amy smith.amy was born in kent.the coopers here of course are part of the windsor coopersKENT.you know the royal ratcatcher matthias cooper!dont start looking at their tree i have that one.i would like to concentrate on the penfolds kent/london/devon and now maybe the balls if we can find amy ball and athelia ball if they were related to lilley and they of course married penfolds.