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[cathayb]

This is Rebecca Penfold and family in 1841, in case they connect somehow with yours -

HO107/1045/11 Folio 17 Page 28
Gumshall? Shere, Surrey
George Penfold 55 Tanner All born in county
Mary 55 Y
John 25 Labourer
Samuel 15
Rachel 15
Rebekah 12
Hannah 11

1861 RG9/442 Folio 13 Page 21
Reigate Foreign, Surrey
Mary Penfold widow 71 Dressmaker Dorking
Rebecca 32 Dressmaker Shere

This seems to be the same Killicks in 1861 -

RG9/881 Folio 76 Page 1
Northfield Road, Henley on Thames, Oxfordshire
Eleanor J? Killick wife 31 Wife of a papermaker Henley on Thames
Walter W 15 Papermaker Shere
James 14 Scholar Shere
William 12 Scholar Upottery Devon
+ lodger Helena Shennan 71 ... Annuity Henley on Thames


Would this be Patience Gess and family?

1871 RG10/2120 Folio 136 Page 56
Caravan, St Andrew, Devon
Henry Gess 35 Travelling Brushseller? Lee Kent
Charlotte 32 Plymouth Devon
Elizth A 14     "
Joseph 12      "
Charlotte 10 Guernsey
Elizth 8 Plymouth
Henry 6     "
Eliza 4     "
Patience 2    "
John 8mo     "
+ boarder John Harris 20

A Smith family also in a caravan -
Henry (26 Traveller Norfolk?) and Eliza Smith (21 Yarmouth?) + children Edward (2 Plymouth) and Emma (5mo Plymouth)

Marriage -
Henry Gess and Charlotte Penfold December 1855 Plymouth 5b 476

Christopher Penfold and Patience Guest Sept 1864 Plymouth 5b 466

dont worry about the penfolds or gess in this quote.its the killicks i am looking for.

[CatOne]

Is it Jesse's Killicks you are after? or is there another branch of connected Killicks? -

1901 RG13/624 Folio 624 Page 61
Walton Street North Cottages, Walton on the Hill, Surrey
Jesse Killick 29 General Labourer Tadworth
Emily 26 Walton on the Hill
Edith 3 Tadworth
+ boarder Frank Nurse 26 Carpenter Notting Hill


1891 RG12/542 Folio 42 Page 16
Tadworth Cottages High Road, Banstead, Surrey
Thomas Killick 50 General Labourer Tadworth
Kate 50 Kent Penshurst
Laurance 21 General Labourer Tadworth
Jesse 19 General Labourer    "
Kate 11 School     "
Alice 9     "      "
Thomas 6  "        "
Julia 2      "


1881 RG11/756 Folio 38 Page 18 Tadworth Banstead Surrey


1871 RG10/795 Folio 34 Page 19
Banstead, Surrey
Thomas Killick 26 Bricklayers Labourer Surrey Banstead
Kate 26 Kent Penshurst
Laurance 1 Surrey Kingswood

Marriage -
Thomas Lawrence Killick and Kate Murrell Butcher December 1869 Reigate 2a 219


1861 RG9/418 Folio 12 Page 21
Banstead, Surrey
Thomas Ayling 48 Ag Lab Chelsea Pensioner All born Banstead
Mary A 51
Julia Killick unmar 22 Servt
George  "  18 Ag Lab
Thomas  "   16 Ag Lab
Henry  " 13 Ag Lab
Ruben?  " grandson 1

Marriage - Mary Ann Killick and Thomas Ayling Sept 1859 Reigate 2a 212

1851 HO107/1592 Folio 31 Page 14
Banstead, Surrey
John Killick 59 Pauper Ag Lab Chipstead
M A 41 Banstead
J son 15 Ag Lab  "
J dau 12 Scholar   "
G son 9 Scholar   "
T L son 6   "
? son 2    "

[cathayb]

oh my w2ord i cant believe it.you found the ones i have been looking for.emily who married jess was a penfold!!fasther william penfold who married catherine penfold.   jess later became know as a king of the gypsies.oh i am so happy.jess the son of thomas and katenee butcher.oh brilliant.  now edward killick born 1822 who had a son amos who was in surry prison in 1881.thats all i know about them i am afraid but they do connect with me along the way.i have got more from this hunt then i ever thought possible thank you so much.killicks i know started off in kent but were often in surry and they didnt do the normak gypsy trades.they were publicans and odd things like that.but they were written about in surry sometime as quite famous gypsies.it would be wonderful to find them married into any of the other names we have been researching.cathayb   thanks again.

[toni*]

do you want anything from Cornwall or Sussex?

[toni*]

or possibly Leicestershire?

[jamajo]

  Well done CatOne, good work i couldnt find them

                Sue

[deb usa]

Hi guys ...

I'm back  but now have to read 18 pages  ..Blimey ....

deb

[cathayb]

my word.what you doing to me.this absolutely fantastic.i thought my family were just devon,somerset,hampshire,dorset.then i started to break into kent and london and look what you have all done.my tree will cover the worls i f i am not careful???we have already taken in aussie on this hunt??if you really want to continue.we are still looking for edward killick as over the page,then we have leicester and cornwall and sussex if you have found any with my names toni?and if you really want knock down my biggest brick walls i have two of em??merrily cooper married isaac joules/joles/jewells/joles in wiltshire in 1803. we have a suspicion that merrily born 1873 might connect to our other coopers and the big brick wall is henry  birch.b1839.we think his mother is charlotte as we can find who we think is him in 1851 in plymouth with her as a widow and he says on his marriage cert 1st that his father is william birch and 2nd marriage his father is henry birch.now i have all the info on him after 1851 so dont bother with that but his family always moved back and forth therough kent,hampshire and devon!louisa who married joshua cooper in the 1890(2nd marriage for both was his daughter by one of the marriages.i did mention her earlier so will find it and post.go for it if you want.of and there is still james achett/orchard b.1825 devon found in kent or surry 1841 with moses penfold.cathayb

[cathayb]

as my name is birch i expect you realise my main line in my rather large tree is BIRCH.NOW THE BIRCHES DIDNT GO MUCH TO KENT EXCEPT ONE that i know of  that is ellen birch who married joshua cooper.they split divorce or not married anyway and he married louisa birch. they would be around the 1880 1890s together i would think.apart from knowing they are relatives of mine i no nothing more than what i have put here.i am in touch with their present day reliatives but other than this i dont know.oh yes i do louisa dad was henry birchb.1839 and her mother was either catherine westcott or alice dymond.we dont know which as catherine died soon after louisa was born and alice was also in co hoots with henry by then.  this is just to put cat among the pidgeons so to speak!as the purpose of this hunt was to connect kent/lodon/devon roms.louisa and joshua cooper lived in kent i do know.henry louisas dad was born in devon.

      louisa birch to joshua cooper.