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Offline kennyg

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Sherwood Forester...or not?
« on: Tuesday 05 August 08 12:21 BST (UK) »
I hope all you Rootschatters out there might be able to help.

I have a John Albert Bruce listed in the 1891 census as a Pensioner GNR police.  I don't believe this to be the case though.  I rather think he was in the Sherwood Foresters.  I hope to get to Kew soon but don't want to waste time on a red herring.

I have his family living in Barracks in Aldershot in 1881 and the ED is listed as 45th Regiment Sherwood Foresters.  By the time we see his family in 1891 the various birthplaces appear to match where the 45th would have been;

1875 - Essex
1878 - Liverpool
1881 - Aldershot
1884 - Mooltan, India
1888 - Agra, India

Interestingly, when John died in the 1890s, his widow remarried and her new husband's children were born in similar locations - I tend to think the two families had known each other in the service (she became a Stainfield in 1900).

Specific questions -

Does the Sherwood Forester's bit fit and where would I find Muster Rolls, Service records etc in Kew?
Where would I be able to check BMDs that took place in India for British soldiers (not Indian Army)?

I have nothing that lists a service number and have only just ordered his marriage cert (1877) and death cert (1895).

Grateful as ever for any help,

Kenny

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Re: Sherwood Forester...or not?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 August 08 12:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Kenny

You do not need a service number to research men in this period, nor even a regiment, as the surviving papers for men discharged 1883 to 1899 are in alphabetical order. These are in WO97. The indexes for these are in the blue folders near the Army Lists

The Muster and Pay Lists are in WO12 up to about 1885, and WO16 afterwards. These peter out in the mid 1890s. The indexes for these are in the red folders behind the main enquiry desk. For the musters you need to appreciate that most regiments had two battalions and a Depot, and each had separate musters. The Depot ones are normally in the back of the ‘home’ battalion. Musters as late as these hold a lot of information, and you need to go through all the sections, especially if you find he was being discharged or transferred as additional information could be in other sections.

The musters for when he was recruited or discharged should give useful FH information such as when and where born, occupation etc. WO12, 16 & 97 are original documents so you will need a reader’s ticket, which you should order in advance to save time.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm

Original documents take 45-60 minutes to arrive. While you are waiting you can look through the Army Lists, both official and Harts (which are better), and search the medal rolls – on microfilm in WO100 (blue index) – if you find that his regiment were involved in any campaigns while he served..

Once documents have arrived you can order more, without waiting to return the first ones ordered.

Ken

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Re: Sherwood Forester...or not?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 August 08 23:28 BST (UK) »
Ken, Thanks.

Comprehensive reply appreciated!

Kenny

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Re: Sherwood Forester...or not?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 August 08 20:45 BST (UK) »
Dear Kenny
You can also contact the Regimental Historian at
http://www.wfrmuseum.org.uk/index.htm
They do ask for a small donation but have a very comprehensive roll and are usually very interested to recive photos of ex-Sherwoods as they are building a photographic archive
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Re: Sherwood Forester...or not?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 September 08 00:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Kenny,

Interesting to read your note.....particularly as you're researching my great grandparents.
There is a later link to the Sherwoods but I think you'll find that John Albert Bruce served as Sargent Paymaster in the 2nd Battalion Manchesters (Roll No 1145).
Guess we're probably related and would be interested to know which one of the sons you're descended from and maybe exchange information.
Look forward to hearing from you.

Garlaff

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Re: Sherwood Forester...or not?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 September 08 10:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Garlaff - most interesting.

I've dropped you a private message so we can communicate off-board.

Let me know if it doesn't get through.

Kenny