Frederick Von Murray Brown(e)

[DuncW]

Hi

Am looking for the Family of Frederick Von Murray Kalckrieth Brown in the 1901 census - I can trace him all the way through to 1891 in Burslem - but nothing in 1901 ? Can anyone assist please

The 1891 census is as follows

RG
 2165 folio 46 - 9 Bleak St Burslem
Frederick M Brown 35 Islington - Artist
Elizabeth C Brown 38 Hoxton Wife
Amy F Brown 9
Guy C Brown 8
Ida S Brown 6
Roy S Brown 4
Eva C Brown 2
Leo B Brown 1


I believe they had another child Frederick Guy Brown in 1893 in Stoke - who was later hanged in 1928 for shooting a policeman at Pentonville.

Any help please ?

Cheers




 

[avm228]

Just to assist Rootschatters who wish to help, the children's birthplaces are as follows (per 1891):


Amy: London Finsbury
Guy: London St Pancras
Ida: London Aldersgate
Roy: London Clapham Junction (middle initial looks like F)
Eva: London Brixton
Leo: Staffs Burslem (middle initial looks like K or R)

Anna

[Woody32]

Sorry can't find any where 

but did find this.


Kennedy, William Henry & Browne, Frederick Guy
On 27 September 1927 at about 4 am William Henry Kennedy and Frederick Guy Browne were on the Romford to Ongar road in Essex when they were stopped by PC Gutteridge. They were driving a Morris Cowley car which they had stolen earlier from Billericay. PC Gutteridge had got off his bicycle and was standing to the side of the road. As the car approached he indicated with his lamp for them to stop but they ignored this and drove past. The policeman immediately blew on his police whistle and the car stopped.
He approached the drivers window and started to ask questions. He took out his notebook and began to write in it when Browne fired two shots at the policeman. Both shots hit him in the face and PC George William Gutteridge staggered back and fell down. Both men got out of the car and walked over to where the wounded policeman was lying injured. Browne stooped down and fired a bullet into each of the policemans eyes killing him.

His body was later found in the lane two hours later. It was thought that he had stopped a motorist to question him about the car and was shot. The car had been reported earlier as stolen. It was later found abandoned in London with bloodstains on the bodywork and an empty cartridge case on the floor. Four months later whilst interviewing Kennedy's accomplice Browne about another stolen car police found a Webley revolver in his garage. This gun was proved to be the same one which had killed PC Gutteridge. Knowing that Browne and Kennedy were partners the police arrested Kennedy who quickly admitted that he had been in the car on the day PC Gutteridge was killed, he said that Browne had fired the shot.

They both appeared at the Old Bailey in April 1928 and were found guilty.

While waiting for sentence to be carried out Browne tried to commit suicide three times, once by hanging himself and then by cutting his throat. He even tried to go on a hunger strike and had to be force fed. He was not sucessful and both were hanged at the same time on 31 May 1928, Browne was hanged at Pentonville and Kennedy at Wandsworth 

[avm228]

I believe they had another child Frederick Guy Brown in 1893 in Stoke - who was later hanged in 1928 for shooting a policeman at Pentonville.

This child may have been the Frederic G. Browne, 8 b Clifton, Staffs, who was a nephew in the household of Brian G. Tebbett and his wife Mary in Clifton Campville, Staffs in 1901.  No other Brown or Browne inhabitants of the household.  RG13/2650/114/9

Anna

[avm228]

I can't find young Frederic's birth registration.  His elder brother "Guy" seems in fact to have been registered with Frederic as a first name:

Birth

Frederic Guy C BROWN Mar 1882 Pancras 1b 75

Death

Frederick Guy C BROWNE aged 11 [sic] Sep 1894 Stoke 6b 113


I wonder whether the younger boy, born about 1893, was registered as something else and had his name changed to Frederic Guy after his elder brother's death (perhaps by way of commemoration)?

Anna

[DuncW]

Thanks Anna -Yes I spotted the name change? I have a Leo Brown also born in 1894 in Stoke on Trent -
At his trial when he was hanged Frederick Guy Browne went under the name Leo K Browne ? There is also an older brother called Leo B Brown !

Cheers

[avm228]

There is also an older brother called Leo B Brown !

Is there?  As I noted above, looking at the 1891 census return the middle initial of 1-yr-old Leo looks to me to be K or (less likely) R.  It really doesn't look like a B.

I can't find his birth registration, though.

Anna

[DuncW]

It cou:d be Anna - but the Leo (Frederick Guy that was hanged) was 36 in 1928

[avm228]

It cou:d be Anna - but the Leo (Frederick Guy that was hanged) was 36 in 1928

I wasn't suggesting that the person hanged was the same person as the 1 yr old Leo in 1891.  It seems much more likely that the person hanged was the same person as the 8 yr old Frederic G. Browne in 1901.

I was just wondering who you meant when you referred to "an older brother called Leo B Brown".  If it's an 1891 census transcription you're relying upon for the middle initial B, it seems to me to be a mistranscription.

Anna