Jane Jolliffe Ackerman

[History Girl]

Hi There, Thanks for the welcome, think I will need plenty of help on here.  He He!
Hope that my information helps in some way too. Facinated by all the posts already

Regards

[carol8353]

Don't worry about asking for help,no matter how daft it sounds 

We've all been there. I suggest you read up on How to Use Rootschat.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,287.0.html

I think Bellbird might be in New Zealand she mentions Wellington in a previous posting. Of course it's already 2009 there,so she may not be online till later tonight(UK time)

To send a personal message, after you have 3 postings,click on the persons name in blue to the left of the page and then on the next page the sentence that says Send this member a personal message  or you can also click on the little green scroll immediately under their name.

Do let us know how you get on,I hope Bellbird didn't have too late a night seeing in the New Year 

Carol

[History Girl]

Thanks for the info, most helpful, talking of New Year, glad I chose today to renew my interest in Family History, wishing you a Very Happy 2009, lets hope Bellbird makes a resolution to check the site out soon.

Regards

[History Girl]

After my post yesterday on William Jollife Ackerman, I have now found, thanks to several other posts on here, that, I was mistaken in thinking that my William Jolliffe Ackerman had been married twice, it now seems that WJA married to Elizabeth March was infact the SON of my WJA who was born in 1778, another generation in the 'blink of an eye' well almost.  Many thanks to all the posts on here regarding WJA, I am still hoping to share this and other 'Ackerman' information with anyone who is tracing their Ackerman Roots.

Regards 

[Springbok]

I wonder if you know this site which has helped me  track back my branch in Dorset-- Old parish BMD Records. Especially if you have a rough idea of the village areas


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ackermanuk/index.html

Spring

[bellbird]

Evening Historygirl  Yes Carol's right i haven't been on line for a while.  I got a bad rash with swollen legs, which Drs didn't know wat it was, have swallowed so many antibiotics to try and get rid of it.  Taken until now for most of the swelling to go and itching lessened as has the swelling.  Pills knocked me around so wasn't up to thinking much let alone trying to get my computer to spell correctly.  Anyway to Ackerman's someone here in NZ sent me two types of family tree for Richard Ackerman Family beginning with him born abt 1675 married Mary Down at Holy Trinity Bradpole Dorset26/5/1702.  I don''t know how accurate this is.  It shows two William Jolliffe Ackerman, father and son.  The second one married Elizabeth March 28/9/1828 at Bridport.  They had 6 children.  The two I was interested in was Jane and her brother Henry who came out here to NZ.  Jane born  1834 (is my great grandmother) and was married in Bridport to John Powell Thomas Grant Webb 1855  Vol 5a Pag 707( doesn't always use all  names and in NZ wanted to be known as Thomas)  They came out to Wellington on the Soukar and lived in Upper Hutt, I don't have photos of either of them but would love one.  Her brother Henry I haven't traced his arrival yet but apparently came out on a Colonial assisted passage and I think there were other ties too.  He lived in Carterton East Coast (lower of North Island)  where he was on a farm, not sure whether he owned one eventually as a family group photo I have of his shows at least 6 children at a celebration with a huge cake in front.  Also have a photo of him alone.  Haven't able to trace his family yet.  Carterton Researcher has sent me photos of his, his wife, and I think daughter Alice.
William Junior, Jane, Matthew and Henry were born at Burton Bradstock.  The oldest sister Marrianne and youngest Amelia were born in Bridport.  See William Jolliffe Ackerman (snr) was married to Hannah and one of their sons was christened in Bridport 1/4/1812 - Edward.  I noticed  some of the early Webb family have Jolliffe in their names too.  It has been recommended that I get marriage certificates at 7 pound each ( NZ dollar is not high against the Pound or Euro so would be between $21 and $25NZ each plus postage. so have been trying to do without.  I have a photo helpfully labelled Grandads brother-in-law of a whitebearded gentleman at a ships wheel in what appears to be  a captain's uniform there is a tall funnel behing him.  Presumably it is an Ackerman or Webb in England.    Not my mother's writing so presumably it could her mother or family member.  My grandmother was Elizabeth and a cousin I've discovered mother is Mary of the John and Jane family.  I only met two of Mum's  sisters when little and one of their sons.  I was sent a death announcement the other day of the son of the other Aunt, he was 89.  So it is possible that apart from one other elderly person I am the only one left (that's mobile and with it anyway).  I have never met any other family members.  Similiar with Dad's family too.  Hope to be able to find some of the generation after me but who will be more my age group and try to get  an  NZ Family Tree.   Have you tried the site recommended by Springbok yet.  In the UK you have two advantages we don't here, Census records and Parish records.  Our Census records have always been destroyed here for privacy reasons, absolutely  stupid, only have to wait 100 years before releasing them.  Well it might be 8:15p.m but it is so hot and muggy I'm heading down stairs to a fan, be too hot to sleep much tonight.  Last week out high temperature reading was 40 degrees.  Catch you later BELLBIRD

[bellbird]

hISTORY GIRL  See I made a boo boo in one sentence, The photos the Carterton Reasearcher sent me were of the gravestones of Henry, his wife Susan and an Alice who I guess might well be a daughter.  BELLBIRD

[jendor]

Ok, here are the marriages...

21st April 1855, Bridport
John Powell Thomas Webb}full age}Bach......}Blacksmith}Robert Webb}Labourer
Jane Joliffe Ackerman.........}full age}Spinster}.................}William Ackerman}Cutter

11 May 1861, Bridport
Henry Joliffe Ackerman}22}Bach.}Flax dresser}William Joliffe Ackerman}Flax dresser
Susan Taylor...............}20}Spinster}...............}John Taylor}Labourer

As for Janes baptisim, I can't find it, perhaps she just got missed!?

William Jolliffe Ackerman was the son of William Jolliffe and Hannah...
William bap. 22 March 1801, Jane Allen bap. 25 Dec 1802, Susan bap. 04 July 1804, John bap. 19 June 1805, Mary Bap. 15 Apr 1807, John bap. 06 Jan 1810, Edward bap. 01 Apr 1812, then theres a big gap until Hannah bap. 28 Jan 1818 (buried 02 Jan 1820 aged 2) & finally Henry bap. 05 1822... all in Bridport.

Now this is where things differ, Historygirl has William Jolliffe and Hannah Stone marrying in 1800, historygirl where did you get your info' from?

The parish register has the following...

William Jolliffe Ackerman and Hannah Allen married 06 Aug 1800, witnesses Thomas Sheppick & William Richards

Then children as follows, all born Bridport children of John Ackerman and Ann Bowring
John bap. 20 Aug 1769, Jane bap. 05 Nov 1770, Ann bap. 21 Apr 1772, John bap. 12 Sep 1773, Fanny bap. 20 Nov 1774, Sarah bap. 19 Jan 1776, Susannah bap. 06 Jul 1777, William Jolliffe bap. 19 Jul 1778, Mary bap. 15 Sep 1779

John Ackerman married Ann Bowring, 30 Oct 1768, witnesses William Pachen & John Jacobs.

Next up, I need to check this a bit more, there is a John Akerman bap 27 March 1749, brothers lawrence bap 1746 and Hugh bap. 1750, and a sister born in Powerstock called Joan, baptised 23 Nov 1744, they were children of John Ackerman of Bridport and Joan Travis of Powerstock who married at Powerstock on 03 Dec 1743.

William Jolliffe married Joan Ackerman 18 Nov 1770, witnesses Lawrence Ackerman & John Jacobs, then the following week...

Lawrence Akerman married Sarah Denziloe, 25 Nov 1770, witnesses Benjamin Gilford & John Jacob

So am thinking this is where the Jolliffe name came in.

Am going to root through the rest I have here and come back to it.

[bellbird]

Jendor  Thanks for your input, will need to put more time into to make sure I have it right.  However I have come across what appears to be a hiccup here. This is my quandry.  I had traced Jane Jolliffee Ackerman on IGI as being part of William Jolliffe's Ackerman's family. Six Children said to be in the family. First two born Bridport, next 3 Burton Bradstock, last one Bridport.  Jane shown as being born in 1834 and Henry 1838 in Burton Bradstock.   His gravestone in Masterton area (NZ) shows he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock.  Henry is Jane's brother as in a site called Papers Past here there was a court report of Henry's visit to Jane where he threatened "to do for her" burn her house down" Her husband John Powell thomas Grant Webb known as Thomas here was halfway across the Hutt River and couldn't rescue her however neighbours did  Also said she'd got him out here on false pretenses, owed him money.  Obviously caused great upset in the family as when my Grandmother Elizabeth shifted into the same district as Henry with her husband Samuel Cranch she was cut out of Jane's Will.  Also her children and some of Henry's went to the same school.       So when you did your research, did you come across Janes birth records which should show her parents names.  Otherwise maybe the Marriage Certificate.  I am unable financially to buy Certificates as with the currency difference between NZ and UK it means it is now more than 3 times the cost to you in NZ dollars.  Any help with further information would be appreciated.  Whoops forgot the problem.  Jane's death certificate says father HENRY !!!!!!  Maybe family member put her brothers name by mistake or the Clerk did. BELLBIRD