Red Lion, Walter Street, Jarrow and the man with two names mystery

[sillgen]

If we are convinced this is the same man then well worth getting that certificate to see who he puts as his father.  It is getting more confusing though!
Andrea

[CatOne]

On second thoughts, I don't think it can be that one if Fanny is nee Cottington (in 1861 shes a servant in Kensington with a sister? Mary, both born Charley Sussex 

ps. just found a couple with the same names, Robert and Fanny Davies, in their 20s, in Birkenhead, in 1881, so that rules out that marriage

[Dave Francis]

There is a marriage on FreeBMD of an Edmund Calvert in Mar qtr 1851 in Askrigg North Yorks, could be his first marriage to Elizabeth.

The reference for this marriage is volume 24 page 364.

There isn't a matching one on FreeBMD. But there is a very similar one for an Elizabeth Longstaff (supposedly page 354) and that doesn't have a matching reference either!

If you check the indexes themselves you'll see that both entries were inserted at a later date and that the correct page reference for Elizabeth Longstaff might be 364.

[Dave Francis]

By way of further confirmation...

1841 Crosby Garrett, Westmorland
HO 107/1156/16 folio 7 page 8
"Potts"
John Longstaff, 39, farmer
Margret, 34
George, 15
Elizabeth, 11
William, 9
Ann, 5
Anthony, 3 <13?>
John, 4 months

All recorded as born in the County of Westmorland (except Margret)

[kathb]

Hi, Alan, Andrea, Cat One and Dave.  Thanks very much for some further information on this trail.  What I do know is this;
Edmund was the son of Edmund and Mary (Lockey) Calvert baptised in 1829 in Bowes.  Just to confuse things even further there was an Edward Calvert son of John and Mary Calvert baptised in the same parish in 1825. 
When Fanny was working in London she is at the home of the Longridges.  This Longridge, built the railway in Mauritius.  Fanny and Edmund have their first daughter baptised in the Wesleyan Methodist Church in Jarrow in June 1863 stating that she was born in Mauritius in March 1863.  I think somehow they met in Mauritius and the chance of finding that marriage and birth cert is about as likely as winning the lottery. I have Emily's birth certificate and that and the other younger children all have Edmund and Fanny nee Cottington as the parents
Ellen on the 1871 census is the daughter of one of Fanny's sisters and there is a Thomas Hill buried in the same grave as Fanny and Edmund in Birkenhead, he is the son of another of Fanny's sister (Mary Hill) on the 1871 census.
Now the next mystery you have given me is this possible first marriage.  I will send for the certificate and see if I can verify the parents.
I am still convinced that he was definitely fleeing or hiding from something.  I wonder does anyone know when the Red Lion changed its name - I am clutching at straws here.
I really appreciate the time you have all given to this, if you come up with anymore then its a bonus.  I will post the results when I get the certificate.
Edmund's parents both die by the time he is aged 3.  In the 1841 census he is with a Lydia Calvert independent in Aysgarth.  Interestingly he calls his youngest daughter Lydia.
Regards
Kathb

[sillgen]

I saw that other 1841 entry and thought he might be too young to be yours.  Did Lydia leave a will?
Andrea

[kathb]

Andrea, thanks.  Dumbo me, I am in Cheshire and its really easy to get copies of Wills here( you can search the local archives and then order on line), I dont know why I didn't think of this.  Do you know how I would get one from Jarrow please?
Thanks
Kathb

[sillgen]

The local archives office will usually have a will index.  There are lots at Northallerton, which would cover the N Yorks area.  Durham will have Jarrow.  After 1858 all wills are held at the central probate office in Holborn in London as well and you can order them from somewhere in York.
Andrea

[Moyra]

There used to be a Jarrowonline site but it closed.  Most of the local folk now use the Hebburn site.  It's possible that you would get info. of any passed-down local gossip from that site.  The library at South Shields has a lot of information about Jarrow.