Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden

[jillrose]

Paula

Thank you for your kind comments about my website. None of it possible without the hard work of the Clwyd FHS volunteers.    I work from their transcribed parish registers.  You would need their published Hawarden Volume 26 (Burials 1875-1910) which I haven't got around to yet.   However, thought I'd take a quick look for Elizabeth using FindmyPast and found the following:

St. Mary's, Hawarden 9th Dec 1884 bur/o Elizabeth Jones, aged 78, of Hopes Place.

Is the age right for your Elizabeth?

Jill

[jillrose]

and Samuel:

St. Mary's Church, Hawarden

Samuel Jones, aged 88, of Hope's Place, buried 10 September 1892

Jill

[paulawilder1]

Oh YAY !!! Jill, you found them ! Yes the ages match, and of course "Hope's Place" - I am so delighted to discover that they lived out their lives at Hope's Place. Thank you ever so much !

[Jo Harding]

Hello paulawilder1,

I thought that I would post on this thread as I lived in Broughton, by Bretton, for many years. I know Bretton well and recall that Hope's Place was a farm there. Even today, Bretton is a tiny hamlet but has been badly altered by commercial building in later years.

I found these references to Hope's Place online:

https://bretton-flintshire.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/d-s-maddock-12967611.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-45338149.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton,_Flintshire

The Wikipaedia entry gives specific information on Hope's Place Farm, a former Grosvenor Estate Farm.

Jo.

[paulawilder1]

Thank you Jo. You know, I have seen those pages via google search before, including the picture of the Hope's Place bus stop  ! and I am reminded that the gentleman who compiled the wikipedia page for Bretton had been in touch with us here, I think on this very thread. I am sad to learn that commercial development has spoiled the look of the town. That is also destroying the aspect of the tiny town I am living in in France.

[Nozzy]

JillRose your site is amazing, what a job you've done, thank you!

[Nozzy]

Hello paulawilder1,

I thought that I would post on this thread as I lived in Broughton, by Bretton, for many years. I know Bretton well and recall that Hope's Place was a farm there. Even today, Bretton is a tiny hamlet but has been badly altered by commercial building in later years.

I found these references to Hope's Place online:

Thank you for this Jo, I will have a look. Samuel Jones is my OH gggrandfather

[paulawilder1]

oops - I make no sense - delete

[Jo Harding]

I apologise if I posted the information yesterday, not having read the entire thread of this post beforehand. It did strike me that there might be a connection to the Grosvenor family, or estate here. I saw the Richard Higginson was born in Eaton/Eccleston and I think I read that his brother was a farmer in Eaton. That is the seat of The Duke of Westminster and his estate covers much of the lands around there (plus most of Chester amongst other huge holdings of land). Hope's Place Farm was said to be a Grosvenor Estate farm originally, so was this acquired by Richard Higginson due to family connections with the Grosvenor family?

There is an archive for the Grosvenor family which is private and held on the Eaton estate. I don't know whether they will provide information to the people who enquire.

https://www.eatonestate.co.uk/

Jo.