Frederick Albert Petty b 1861

[reeve99]

I wonder if anyone can give me any help with the Petty Family of Leicester.

They are present on 1891 Census (RG12/2499/23)

Frederick A Petty age 30
Laura Petty age 27
Florence Petty 8 (from whom I'm descended)
Minnie Petty 7
Frederick A Petty 4
Thomas Petty 3
Laura Petty 1

I cannot then find the family on the 1901 census.  Any ideas anyone?

Thanks in advance.

Anna

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s & Welcome Anna

I assume your after information on the Father  for Florence?

1861. Census returns GR 9 / 2292 / 46 / Page. 5.
St. Margret’s Parish.
Sanvey-gate.
No 2. Alma Cottages.

John Petty. Head Mar. 45. Stocking Frame Worker. B. Burbage.
Caroline. Wife. 25. Seamer of Hose  b Hinckley.
Henry. Son. 13. Trimmer of Hosiery.   B Leicester.
John Son. 8. Scholar. b Leicester.
Thomas. Son.2. Ditto. b Leicester.
FREDERICK. Son. Under one Month old. b Leicester.
Frederick index as possible Frederick Albert Petty. On Ancestry.

MIKE. 

One of the main reasons we can not find family on the 1901. census returns is that
They could be transcribed under a variants of the spelling of Petty
Lots of the returns were transcribed by persons who’s 1st.language was not English.

Or The whole Family was overseas with their Father
who might have enlisted in the forces. 

[reeve99]

mmmm well he's with someone who is 20 years his junior.  Think he was married to Betsy (Elizabeth) Poultney prior to Caroline (was living with the family in 1841).  Will have to order some certificates to check though. 

Also had a mental block - descended from Frederick born 1861, then his daughter Florence!  Been staring at this too long today.

Anna

[Mike from Leicester]

A Double Marriage then …..

Entry No.472,  OCT 12, 1840, after Banns
JOHN PETTY, Full age, Bachelor. Frame Work Knitter, of SANVEY GATE,
Son. of JOHN PETTY, Frame Work Knitter.
 
ELIZABETH POULTNEY, minor, Spinster. Frame Work Knitter, of SANVEY GATE,
Daughter. of WILLIAM POULTNEY, Frame Work Knitter
Wits: GEORGE BELLAMY, MARTHA BELLAMY


Entry No.471,  OCT 12, 1840, after Banns
GEORGE BELLAMY, minor, Bachelor. WOOL COMBER, of WATLING St,
Son. of CHARLES BELLAMY, WOOL COMBER

MARTHA PETTY, minor, Spinster. Frame Work Knitter, of SANVEY GATE,
Daughter. of JOHN PETTY, Frame Work Knitter.
Wits: JOHN PETTY, ELIZABETH POULTNEY

MIKE.

UPDATED. 21.40.HRS.

Welford Road Cemetery Burials

Plot C. F. 94. :~
PETTY   * Elizabeth   1855   Jun   3   Aged.32   Burleys Lane   Saint Margaret   2947
POULTNEY   William   1869   Nov   28   44   Jewry Wall Street   Saint Nicholas   11978
POULTNEY   Martha   1870   Apr   11   13mths   Jewry Wall Street   Saint Nicholas   12297
POULTNEY   Adelaide   1871   Jul   30   46   Jewry Wall Street   Saint Nicholas   13330
POULTNEY   Edward   1873   Apr   6   1   Leicester Union House   Saint Nicholas   14777
POULTNEY   Adelaide   1885   Apr   1   11mths   Welles Street   Saint Mary   26248


Plot. U. R. 1511.:~

PETTY   * John   1863   Mar   24   Aged. 47   Alma Cottage's Sanvy Gate   Saint Margaret   12082


No other Petty's within this plot.

[reeve99]

OK that's too clever for me, I was just going on guesswork.  Where did you find all that information?  I'm new to researching Leicestershire folk - more used to North Yorkshire. 

Anna

[reeve99]

Mike

Sorry forgot to say thanks for being so helpful !  Unfortunately am not nearby so cannot go to records office very easily to check like I can for my other side. 

Anna

[reeve99]

Can anyone help me with this as well.  Looks like Caroline remarried in 1865 October quarter (7a 402) but I cannot find out who she married.  I wonder if this is the clue to finding Frederick on the 1871 census ie may have been put under his mum's new name.  When you look at free BMD there are two women listed and only one man Thomas Smith and I then can't find a Caroline Smith so probably not that one.  Any ideas anyone?

Anna

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s again ..Anna

Looks like Caroline Petty did married a Thomas Smith 1865.
Details below…..

St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.

Entry No.90,  OCT 10, 1865, after Banns
THOMAS SMITH, 27, Bachelor. Shoe Maker, Of Sanvey Gate,
Son. of JOHN SMITH, Gardener.
 
CAROLINE PETTY, 27, WIDOW. of Sanvey Gate,
Daughter. of CHARLES PETTY, Hatter
Wits: CHARLES PHILLIPS, ELIZA PHILLIPS.

MIKE.

Petty Baptisms St. Margaret’s parish Church. Leicester.

20-Apr   1862   Annie Lucy   Petty   Thomas & Elizabeth
28-Mar   1864   CHARLES ALAIC   PETTY   JOHN & CAROLINE
31-Aug   1856   Charles Henry   Petty   Joshua & Elizabeth
31-Aug   1853   ELIZA   PETTY   JOHN & ELIZABETH
23-Mar   1874   Elizabeth   Petty   Henry & Ann
28-Mar   1864   FREDERICK ALBERT   PETTY   JOHN & CAROLINE
23-Jan   1848   HENRY   PETTY   JOHN & ELIZABETH
31-Aug   1853   JOHN   PETTY   JOHN & ELIZABETH
21-Oct   1849   JOHN   PETTY   JOHN & ELIZABETH
23-Mar   1874   John Henry   Petty   Henry & Ann
28-Mar   1864   THOMAS   PETTY   JOHN & CAROLINE

I Can not see any Baptisms belonging to Thomas & Caroline Smith
After 1865 ~ 78.

MIKE.

[reeve99]

Hi Mike

Can you tell me where you get this information from?  Just so I don't have to keep bothering you.

Anna