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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #99 on: Tuesday 27 September 11 16:37 BST (UK) »
Hi all, as Ben has said I was most unchuffed on missing the "gathering of the clans" in leeds due to holiday commitments.It would have been good to meet everyone and have a chat about the family and fairground stuff. and put faces to names. I am looking forward Paul, with interest to anything you are able to post of Garys research on the Mackenzies.
                                      Regards to All  Terry

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #100 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 01:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys,

I thought it may be of interest for you to see the Gravestones of Maggie Mckenzie's parents, however I forgot about 500kb limit so if you would like to have better copies I could email them.
They are both in Beckett Street cemetery, both have variant spellings of the surname, you choose which one you prefer!  :)

Regards to all.


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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #101 on: Saturday 24 December 11 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, the image I wanted to post exceeds the limit. So I;m afraid it's all down to your imaginations...
                Best wishes,
                  Paul

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #102 on: Saturday 24 December 11 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Can I wish all the Crowthers and Johnsons I have met over the past few months and years a very merry Xmas and a Prosperous new year!
Johnson, Crowther, Sykes showman and travellers 1800's onward of Leeds and surrounding area. Also Bunting, Bosomworth and Palliser


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In search of Stainburn Square...
« Reply #103 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 01:16 GMT (UK) »
Dear All,
              Sorry for the cryptic message above. I didn't realize that not only the image I was wanting to post but the message itself hadn't been posted.
               Anyway, here's a bit of the Pettingell and Brownlow Thompson aerial map of Leeds from 1886. I assumed that they imagined it from lots of sketches etc. There are many inaccuracies in it (some quite spectacular). However, I've put  a yellow blob to the right of the gasometer - which is where the Square ought to be. I've put another small blob a bit higher up - to the right of which is the approximate site of Mabgate Fold
               I'm also posting a photo from the Leodis website that Gary has just sent me. Stainburn Square is definitely in this. It's the reverse L shaped building (with another building enclosed within the L) to the immediate right of the gasometer that is pointed out by the grey arrow.
                Next time, I'll post some of the fascinating details that Gary has uncovered about the Mackenzies, and, for light relief, an indication of where our ancestors were 1990 years ago.
               Best wishes for the new year to everyone !!!
               Paul

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #104 on: Monday 02 January 12 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone. I am not sure if I have posted my reply correctly so I am trying again.                     

                  Best Wishes for the new year to all

Special thanks to Atbash and Paul for the Mckenzies grave pictures and the pictures showing the locations of Stainburn Sq and Mabgate Fold. Very useful.

Taken from a Leeds newspaper July 1873 , a sad story which must have caused George a few sleepless nights.

During the week Mr Emsley, The Leeds Coroner, has held inquests in the following instances:on the body of John Wm Dunning, seven years of age, who died at the dispensary on Saturday night from injuries recieved the same afternoon by falling out of a swing-boat in the Leeds Fair. The evidence was to the effect that the deceased had overbalanced himselfwhile endevouring to reach the cap of a boy named Scholes, and fell to the ground, a distance of between eight and ten feet.His skull was terribly crushed, and several of his ribs were broken. He was insensible from the first, and died shortly after admission.He was riding for the second time, and had been placed in the middle of the boat by two different men , but had persisted in going forward to the end seat. The jury returned a verdict of " accidental death" , coupled with a recommendation that children of such tender age should not be allowed to enter fly-boats without having some protection-
The Coroner: I suppose either the protection of a man in charge or their parents?
- The Foreman: yes - The Coroner called George Crowther the owner of the boat,and asked him if he was prepared to carry out the recommendation. Crowther replied that he was, on which the coroner remarked that if a similar accident occured the result might be serious.

        Regards Terry

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #105 on: Monday 02 January 12 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Telnorm,

Thanks for the new info, I have also found out that the accident happened on Saturday July 12th 1873 at the Fair at Smithfield Market, Leeds.
There is another twist to the story, the Housekeeper to the family of the child who died, killed herself with rat poison a few days later, her mind been affected by the death of the child.
(Jul 16th 1873 Leeds Mercury, page 3)

With all this in mind,Was this the reason for George selling the Swingboat and buying the Pub ?

Happy New year to all.
 

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #106 on: Tuesday 03 January 12 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi atbash.
 thanks for the additional tragic story re the housekeepers death.
Ben also thinks that George may have sold the swingboat and moved on to the pub as a result of the accident and the Coroners comments. I am sure that you have seen the reports of the many, many accidents involving swingboats in the old newspapers. It appears that they where the most dangerous fairground rides of the period.
                                               Thanks again     Terry

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #107 on: Tuesday 03 January 12 12:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Terry,

Good work on finding the article about the accident, I'm not sure if everyone knows the location of the old Smithfield Market but on a modern map it is the park within the area of North Street junction with Grafton Street in Leeds.
I have an image of it from Bing Maps but I can't upload it because of the stupid 500kb limit :(