Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican

[PaulSlo]

I just noticed that the William Crowther (whose dad was called William) who I mentioned in a previous post, is listed as being christened on April 7th 1767 at Cleckheaton - and not just Birstall. This is another point in favour of him being ours.
                           Paul

[benny9]

THE OLD HOUSE AT HOME  This name originates from a once-popular ballad, often recounted by soldiers longing to return home from the battlefield. 
This is what i can get find about the name of the pub. It would seem that there are two in the Leeds area now the one in Cleckheaton and one in Shipley.
So the name has precedence in the area but the original pub could of been a persons front room that sold beer, it maybe of only stayed open a while. The ones in the directories may have been the bigger purpose built or more established pubs in town centres.
It is a very good chance that the one George had in Leeds was his front room with a brew house out back.
So I say that Pauls theory could still be valid and probably worth looking in to.

[PaulSlo]

A small point. There's often interesting info buried between the line in facts one already has.
    I notice that in the baptismal entry for Benjamin Crowther at Birstall Parish Church in 1795 (which Gary again provided)his dad William is listed as  of 'Birstall' whereas as other entries on the same page involve fathers living at other places in the area. This makes it solid that our forebears were from the intersection of Birstall, Scholes, Cleckheaton, and Drub. I wonder if they supplemented their clothwork with a bit of small-scale farming - in which case they might be on a land registry somewhere.
     I notice also that one of Benjamin's children - Hannah - was able to write her name on her marriage certificate (again provided to me by Gary, ages ago). The fact that she could write means of course  that she was taught by someone. It's not really feasible that anyone outside the family would have done this. So it must have been Benjamin who taught her.
    This tells us that Benjamin valued literacy. Maybe he tried to teach the others, but was only successful with her.

[telnorm]

Hi everybody, please ignore me if this has been covered already. I was able to search using the "address" feature and typing in " the old house at home" in the 1891 census gave me the following.
James Mann - brewer - The old house at home - stainburn st - leeds.

also , in the 1881 census there was another Old house at home at theaker lane- Armley Leeds run by a Mr Sowden who described himself as an Innkeeper/Butcher.

Regards to all Terry

[Sandymc47]

Hi there
I remember when I was younger in the 1950's going down Theaker Lane and drinking Ginger Beer which was brewed in someones house.  The alcoholic kind wasnt allowed by that time.
The people who brewed it were I think the Bennets. Saying that a girl I went to school with who lived quite close to Theaker Lane, Armley was called Christine Snowden (Surname).... This lady is still alive as far as I know so although she is married now I dont want to give her identity from the 1950's even though she was married and will have another surname now.   I often wondered why her middle name was Snowden but thought it was the Mountain in Wales.  Now I know about this brewery in Theaker Lane and a Mr Snowden I realise that is maybe why my school friend had a middle name of Snowden. At least I now know and remember well the taste of that Ginger beer as even now after 55years I can still remember the taste lol
regards Sandymc
born in Armley Leeds and proud of it!!

[GLM66]

Hi guys,

I think there may be another link into the early Crowthers,  unfortunately I have no access to any resources so hope one of you may take up challenge!

Paul mentioned the village of DRUB, this is where Harriet Crowther was born and I remember looking at this a long time ago and found that there was also a Crowther family living in the same village. I think I looked at only the 1851 Census though.

Can anyone check this out and see if we can connect that family to her Father Benjamin or his father William? it may help us go further back!!!

[GLM66]

Cancel the above message, I have found the details I was looking for!

[PaulSlo]

This just a belated thanks to Ben for organizing the get together in July in Mabgate. It was great to see so many people.
       The only new developments have been some amazing work by Gary on the Mackenzie side of the family. If he doesn't mind, I can post the most interesting facts about it, soon. These will be relevant to Terry and Joe Crowther, as well as myself and Gary.
       Regards to all,
       Paul

[benny9]

Thanks Paul, it was a good day really nice putting faces to names. Maybe we could meet up again in the future I know Terry was a bit gutted at missing out on meeting you all. We might choose a more salubrious surroundings for next time. I know my dad enjoyed reminiscing about Leeds and the show ground life.

BEN