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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #81 on: Friday 13 August 10 17:27 BST (UK) »
Terry has just made me aware of this Corgi Model of the Crowther engine, Cool or what! Nice price though but it might be worth it!
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #82 on: Friday 13 August 10 18:36 BST (UK) »
Nice to see the Corgi model !

          Just a minor update on the deep genetic ancestry front. I received  a message from a Lithuanian gentleman who is a member of a project. Here are parts of his message.

'I am contacting you because your Y-DNA (in ysearch.org database) is sharing unusual allele dys392=15 and your markers are similar to Lithuanian Grand Dukes Gediminds...
The main aims of the project are:
To understand if early rulers of the Lithuanian medieval state were originating from early Baltic specific population or from the newcomers from sailed to Lithuania some time around 10th century A.D. as second and third editions of the Lithuanian chronicles suggest.'

             It may be, in other words,  that some of the Finnic people who migrated to Sweden and became Viking Rus, also migrated to Lithuania, and formed a separate genetic line; or it may be that Rus went from Sweden and set up in Lithuania, at around the same time that some of them came to England, and others went into Russia. (The name 'Russia' of course, is thought to derive from 'Rus'.)
             Whichever is the case, it means that as well as sharing a common ancestor with Rurik (and the Russian aristocracy who provided the Czars down to and including Ivan the Terrible), we also share an ancestor with the old Lithuanian aristocracy as well. The ancestor in question probably lived in Finland between 1500 and 2000 years ago.
            Anyway that's all for now -  have to get the servants to feed the reindeer.
            Best wishes,
            Paul
           


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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #83 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 17:36 BST (UK) »
This sounds great Paul, are we going to find out that the Crowthers once owned the whole of eastern Europe!
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #84 on: Thursday 14 October 10 09:59 BST (UK) »
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #85 on: Thursday 03 February 11 08:52 GMT (UK) »
            At present Benjamin Crowther is the furthest back we've got in tracing our ancestors in definite terms.
            There was a Benjamin christened at Birstall in 1794 to Hannah Crowther, and one christened in the same place  in 1795 to William Crowther. Given that our family seems to transmit Christian names from one generation to another, I found it odd that Benjamin's family contained no William.
            However, it turns out that a William Crowther aged 2 - son of Benjamin - was buried at Cleckheaton on October 31st 1824. This would suggest that our next ancestor along is, indeed, William. The problem then, is that there are two William Crowthers christened at Birstall in the 1760's. However, one of them has a Dad called Peter - which name never occurs amongst our nineteenth-century ancestors, whilst the one born in 1767 has a Dad called John - which is very much one of our names.
            Another intriguing discovery. There is a pub in Cleckheaton - near Scholes - called The Old House at Home. The building can be seen online. It doesn't look pre-twentieth-century, but it may have been re-faced, or built on the site of an earlier pub. Whatever the case, it's surely too much of a coincidence that our George Crowther had a pub of the same name. Maybe he gave it that name as a reminder of where he lived as a child.
           It would be interesting to know whether the Cleckheaton pub was, indeed, there in the 1830's, and whether George's pub was given its name when he took it over.
                                                                     Paul   

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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #86 on: Thursday 03 February 11 08:59 GMT (UK) »
Oops. I just made a mistake. The William who was christened in 1767 had a Dad called William as well. It was his Grandad who was called John.
               
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #87 on: Thursday 03 February 11 18:25 GMT (UK) »
That is good detective work Paul. When Terry and I visited Leeds records we had a look at the Birstall records I think at that time we were trying to confirm or disprove the Jonas and Mary as parents. We did disprove this but by time we had we did not have any time left. I did notice that there were a lot of the same names in the area.
This is a good lead to look in to.
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #88 on: Thursday 03 February 11 18:45 GMT (UK) »
Just had a look at the trade directories on genuki there is no mention of the Old House at home in Clekheaton 1822-37. It does not look like the name came from an existing pub.
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Re: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican
« Reply #89 on: Friday 04 February 11 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Benny's absolutely right - there's no reference to a pub called The Old House at Home in the Cleckheaton area in the 1820's or 30's.
          But how weird a coincidence can you get !? That name is so rare...

           Paul