Dooley/Titterton family and the Irish connection

[madsy]

Hi,  I'm new to this "sport" and more than a little lost, so I wonder if anyone can help push me in the right direction.  With the help of a friend I've found my Dooley ancestors in Wilnecote/Buddesley/Fazeley area but the counties are given variously as Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Derbyshire all in the same census or bmd records!  This is confusing.  The facts about my family as far as I know them are this:  My g. grandfather Joseph Dooley was born around 1862 in Buddesley.  His parents were Samuel Dooley and Harriet, nee Hull.  Samuel was born in Swadlincote Derbyshire in 1831.  Samuel's father was John Dooley, but I don't know when or where he was born.  I'm trying to find out if there's an Irish connection. 

Does anyone know how I would push back to find if John Dooley's ancestors came from Ireland?

That's the Dooleys.  Joseph Dooley married Fanny Titterton.  I understand the Titttertons came from Cheshire originally.  Again, I can't get back beyone the 1800s.  Fanny's father was John Titterton and her mother was also called Harriet (or Harriett).  But I can't find any other information.  I've looked in Ancestry, but can't find anything.

Madsy

[jorose]

They seem to have lived along county boundaries - i.e. Wilnecote is in Tamworth parish, which is half in Staffordshire and half in Warwickshire:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Tamworth/index.html

1841 census, Swadlincote hamlet in Church Gresley, Derbyshire:
(HO 107/0191 folio 11/16 page 26)
Joseph Dooly, 40, colliery bailiff
Hannah, 40
Mary, 20
Benjamin, 15, coal miner
Edmund, 14, ditto
Samuel, 12
Hannah, 10
John, 4
George, 2

all listed as being born 'in county'.

from the IGI (www.familysearch.org) it appears the older children (including Samuel) were christened in Alfreton, the younger ones in Church Gresley.  Benjamin, Edmund and a younger brother, Ebenezer, at least, appear to have moved to Warwickshire in later censuses.

[madsy]

Thank you for your information.  I checked out the links you sent and found the Tamworth history really interesting.  However, when I checked the other link, the family search one, I could find nothing on Samuel Dooley.  I tried the IGI index and could only find records for Samuel Dooley in the mid 1700s.

Could you tell me how you found the listing you sent me, please?  I'm not very adept at knowing how to find elusive entries yet.

How can I check to be sure that the Samuel Dooley in the listing is later the father of "my" Joseph Dooley?

Madsy

[aghadowey]

From the details posted it looks as though the Dooleys have been in England since at least 1801 so the Irish connection must be at least a generation or so earlier. If you do find the link to Ireland it will be very difficult to get information on the family there as there will be no civil registration of births, deaths & marriages or census records. To find anything like church records in Ireland you will need to know the family's religion and where they lived (parish of not actual townland not just the county)- the latter bit of information is often impossible to get from existing records.

[madsy]

Would it be possibe to trace them back to Liverpool (assuming that's where they originally settled)?  I'm betting the Irish connection was way back as my g. grandfather, Joseph Dooley died in 1939 and current family history as of then was that the family was English and there was no Irish in us!  Since he was born 8n 1862, he would have been within a couple of generations of any Irish influx from the late 1700s.

madsy

[aghadowey]

People have been travelling back and forth between Ireland and England, Scotland and Wales for years (there are no passenger lists since all were part of U.K.)
To trace the family in England you would do so like any other search: census records, etc.

[madsy]

Thank you for your speedy reply.  I'll take your advice.

Regards,
Madsy

[Claire R]

I’m new to this group, so I know it’s a few years since your query. If it’s helpful, I have Fanny Dooley nee Titterton in my family tree. She was my first cousin, 3 times removed. Can’t help with the Dooley ancestors, only the Tittertons. As far back as I can see, to her grandfather (my 4th great grandfather) came from Staffordshire.

[madsy]

It seems as if this is the same family.  The paternal name of the Staffordshire Dooleys was Samuel.  The Titterton branch that I can trace my family back to was John Titterton.